AIBU in thinking this could spread rapidly to other schools? Parents have to come into school to change NT DCs if they soil themselves.

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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/schools-tell-parents-if-your-34349942

It's been a long time coming but I can see it will spread now there are fewer TAs.

As long as SEN needs are taken into account I think it's a good idea.

@MrsSunshine2b any sources on the actual number of children still in nappies and how many of those are due to poor parenting?

You talk as if you know facts. What are they?

Sending a child to school unable to use a toilet is also neglect.

@JudgeJ depends why they are unable, doesn't it?

Righ in some circumstances maybe regardless you still can't leave a child in their own waste products it's not just neglect its cruel.

It may be, but if a child is being neglected at home it’s even more reason they shouldn’t be neglected at school

School isn't there to provide childcare for parents so they can work.

If you haven't adequately prepared your child for school to the extent they require you during the school day, you have to either employ a nanny to be on standby, or find a flexible enough role that you can leave when necessary.

Or just potty train your child is an option.

It's utterly impractical. Children need changing straight away when they've had an accident - even in the best-case scenario when parents have been called and have immediately dropped whatever it is they're doing and sped over, you're still talking 10/20/30 minutes for them to get there. What will you do with the shitty, presumably distressed child during that time? Make them stand in the corner on a tarpaulin? Make sure they don't touch anything or sit down? Have them wait in the classroom? Or the hallway? Or a special room for the incontinent?? It's barbaric.

Something needs to change, sure. But this is not the way.

Well, maybe the parents need to fork out to pay someone to be nearby and on standby so they can do this. It's not acceptable to keep dumping extra responsibilities on schools because parents aren't fulfilling them.

But they won’t. They will “home educate” which will leave the most vulnerable children in an even more vulnerable position

Splendid solution, problem solved.

I realise you want to punish the parents here but it will be the child that suffers. Whose fault it certainly is not.

That's a whole other thread and FWIW LAs need to be monitoring HE children a lot better. The latest proposals would mean that any child under a SS protection plan wouldn't be allowed to be homeschooled, and I would hope that any child turning up to school in nappies should be instantly raising a red flag to SS.

But in a caring role it might be expected but not as a teacher.

@MrsSunshine2b still waiting on those sources and the number of children that start reception in nappies and how it's all due to lazy/crappy parents. Considering you speak with such conviction and have even found "solutions " , surely you must have facts backing all this?

But a child who hasn’t even started school could easily slip under the radar.

and even if SS forced them into school they still wouldn’t be toilet trained

and the level for SS involvement is much higher than a 4 year old in nappies

It's not in a teacher's contract.

@caringcarer by that logic teachers shouldn't have to administer insulin, or epi pens or cater to other medical needs either... right?

I would put money on the vast majority of parents who are told they need to attend school 3x a day to change a nappy or pay someone else to having their un-trainable child trained within about 2 weeks. As soon as it's harder work not to do it than to just do it.

Especially since a lot of it is ideological- "gentle" parents who think that any kind of pressure or demand on their child is akin to abuse and they must show "readiness" before they are potty trained. It's not all about stereotypical impoverished drug addicts who've forgotten how many kids they have, it's also middle class parents wanting to ensure Cordelia and Otto know that their shits will be embraced and validated, in case anything otherwise damages their self-esteem.

I was a teacher for 20 years and nothing in my contract about changing shitty nappies.

We are talking about very small children it's still neglect however you dress it up to leave a nursery/ reception aged child in their own faeces. And urine .

The first Aider does that.

But that’s not in a first aiders contact either (using your logic….)

@caringcarer there's nothing in mine (I'm a TA) about counting carbs and administering insulin or hypo treatments, yet here we are. 🤷‍♀️

You said you worked in a secondary school if a child was still incontinent by secondary agedc they would have a full plan
For context my severely disabled child who goes to a school for children with severe and profound learning disabilities is,toilet trained
I can't imagine e there are many non toilet trained kids in a mainstream secondary school.

Oh and treatment for a chronic/ongoing condition doe not come under first aid. In fact , 90% of our first aiders aren't diabetes trained. Epi pens would.

Exactly. I am a TA who would happily be trained if needed but I know my contact doesn’t cover it.