to be annoyed at so much racism re “the boat people”

[NavyOrca]

A large hotel local-ish to us (around 10 miles away) is currently closed for bookings as it is being occupied by just under 400 asylum seekers.

Recently, in our village and a couple of neighbouring ones, there has been a spate of parcels being stolen from doorsteps. I’m sure you can all work out who has taken the blame for this….! Even though one of the perpetrators is known to be a local lad, born and bred in our village, some people are still blaming others..

The comments on Facebook community groups are disgusting.

Since when has it been acceptable to so readily stick the blame upon those literally fleeing their countries?

I honestly feel that as a human race, we are devolving.

We have a legal obligation to help people in our waters and pushbacks are against the law.

FAQS

Can't we take them back to France?
France won't take them back.

Can we leave them floating in the water?
No, we have a legal obligation to help those in our water.

Can we deport them without processing them?
You can't send people back to a place where they could be in danger. That's partly why the Rwanda scheme was found illegal.

Do you think the Tories didn't think of any of the above?

There was a memo and they separated out into bad eggs who went to Germany and good eggs who came to the UK of course.

Sarcasm aimed at the ridiculous cyclical aren’t that is still going on. The profiles would be the same but posters on this thread are just desperate to pretend it isn’t. Because racism waaaaah.

*argument

Yes, my comment wasn't on practicalities. I think the practical answer is to agree a European burden-sharing scheme, in exchange for France taking back all boat arrivals. I think the logic of the Rwanda scheme was reasonable, though the execution was abysmal and it was clearly driven by electoral and party politics. The point is to devise a scheme that is better than the alternatives for people fleeing persecution, and worse than the alternatives for people faking it. Then you only get the right people. I would (genuinely) love to have a scheme that treats genuine refugees very well. But to do that without incentivising abuse is hard, and having a system that is non-arbitrary on how we allocate limited capacity amongst genuine potential refugees is hard too. That is why I think most of our support for refugees should be provided close to source in neighbouring countries, where our money goes much further too, helping more people and also reducing the incentive for abuse. How would you do it?

It's a complex problem which is why it's taking so long to be resolved.

The journey from the ME and other countries is perilous as is crossing the channel. In my opinion the best way of dealing with it is en route. Paying for better border controls would be helpful as would working internationally to stop smuggling gangs.

We already do take in asylum seekers via approved channels eg Afghanistan, Ukraine and Hong Kong.

We can't open a processing centre because it wouldn't stop the problem and could attract more people. France are being very unhelpful and won't even bring people back in their own waters. They're also fed up with it and are blaming the UK.

In the short term I think we should speed up processing claims and deport those who fail the asylum process quickly. Those with refugee status can then work and are no longer a burden on the state.

It's an international problem which will take partnership with other countries. The way Italy cut down on boat arrivals was by paying for better border patrols and other schemes to stop people leaving.

This is the only place where fears for safety = racist.
In the real world, people agree with these valid concerns about groups of men with goodness knows what history and have negative experiences of living in close proximity to the hotels and hostels.

My Afghan female friend is also against groups of undocumented men in hotels. Is she racist towards them as well?

This needs to be repeated.

People, women in particular, have real concerns about large numbers of undocumented men with nothing to do. You can shout 'racist' at them and go 'lalalalala!' , but the concerns will not go away, quite the opposite. More people will end up voting far right politicians if they are the only ones who listen to them.

I was not aware of the (rather worrying) German data. Thanks to those who post it. The fact that there are still people in this thread that after reading the article keep saying 'theres no data from the UK' instead of pausing to think, tells me their opinion is purely based on emotion and not really thought through.

He absolutely did win in a landslide. He turned every single (7) swing state red, he won the House, the Senate and the Supreme Court is majority conservative.

He most certainly did win the majority (popular) vote, you are also wrong about that. In short, everything he could possibly win he did. Get over it.

I certainly think that putting 200 young men from different cultural backgrounds, possibly with lots of traumas in a hotel with nothing to do and in the middle of nowhere just breeds trouble. I don't think anyone disagrees with that.
I do think the language that some people use is a problem though.
I also think coming up with simplistic answers like just push the boats back are not helpful.
I absolutely think the refuge crisis is a global problem and should be solved globally or at least by cooperating in the EU. But I somehow doubt that the the far right parties are big on partnering up with other countries or coming up with a nuanced plan of action.

What have we become as humans? The word " pushback" is vile.

I think many people don't realize that it is sheer luck that they have been born in a country without war or a proper social welfare and healthcare system.
Sometimes a little bit perspective or gratitude wouldn't go amiss.

They could always try talking to a few refugees. An interesting and thought provoking conversion.

I can be grateful and also want to keep myself and my children safe and help out in other ways.

I also want hospitals, schools, roads, housing able to cope with the people we already have here.
I can't even get with a dentist in my whole county ffs. Yep. Not just my town, but the whole county.

Refugees aren't responsible for the lack of dentists.

Refugees are only a tiny percentage of immigrants we bring in every year. The government have increasingly been bringing in immigrants as students, to work in the NHS, hospitality and to stop skills gaps. They help keep wages down.

I think the last Tory government brought in a million people in their last year.

And if we continue to allow undocumented men entry at unsustainable levels, we won’t have a country without war or proper social welfare and healthcare system.

Scapegoating.

No I only sarcastically said "all of the men who see western women as subhuman" could be an asset to us, I wasn't talking about any man who doesn't see western woman as subhuman. Hth

Shur how would French woman and girls be in any danger around all these decent young men? 🤔

Maths.

Do you ever have cause to use the NHS? Something like 30 percent of the workforce are immigrants?

Have you ever spoken to any of the young men you despise so much?

30% of the nhs workforce are illegal immigrants?

Why are you lying?

Around 30 per cent of doctors are from an immigrant background. Maybe some of those people seeking asylum are from a similar background?
No worries, its easier to think of brown people as all the same. I could tell you about my friend Sara from Sudan an engineer who had managed multi million pound projects before she set up relief organisation for hundreds of thousands of people. On arrival here, fleeing for her life she was treated like utter dross. Still somehow, her light shines bright.

No worries, its easier to think of brown people as all the same.

PP didn’t do that though. They were talking about undocumented men entering the country, and then you brought up the 30% immigrant doctors in the NHS.

Tbh, it seems like you’re the one conflating undocumented migrants with NHS doctors, as if they were all the same.

Accepting large numbers of undocumented migrants because some of them might be doctors doesn’t seem like a sustainable approach.

And as for your friend, I’m sorry she had to go through that, but the same thing happened to my parents (who are white) when they moved from their poorer home country to a richer country.

Their degrees weren’t recognised and they had to start all over again from the bottom. Not great, but not necessary something to do with skin colour.