to be annoyed at so much racism re “the boat people”

[NavyOrca]

A large hotel local-ish to us (around 10 miles away) is currently closed for bookings as it is being occupied by just under 400 asylum seekers.

Recently, in our village and a couple of neighbouring ones, there has been a spate of parcels being stolen from doorsteps. I’m sure you can all work out who has taken the blame for this….! Even though one of the perpetrators is known to be a local lad, born and bred in our village, some people are still blaming others..

The comments on Facebook community groups are disgusting.

Since when has it been acceptable to so readily stick the blame upon those literally fleeing their countries?

I honestly feel that as a human race, we are devolving.

I would say western women especially!
What with their freedoms and rights and sexual exploits and jobs and you know having an opinion and expressing those opinions out loud and protesting and just existing without being under the control that they seem to love to weild on women.

A question for those who refuse to acknowledge the data collected by German authorities because Germany is a different country to ours..

Could any one of you please explain what it is that either attracts men with a higher proclivity for sexual assaults to their country while we attract the ones without this OR what it is about German culture that makes these men turn into sex offenders?

If you could answer this, you could help solve the issue Germany is having. I’m sure they would be very happy to emulate our “success”.

Also, everyone on both sides acknowledges how dangerous the refugee camps are in France, and what horrifying and relentless sexual assaults the women there are exposed to. So why is anyone here saying we need to open our streets to these men who are making the refugee camps so dangerous?

We should be helping the women get out of these camps and turning the men away. We do not need more men, especially men with a higher proclivity for sex assaults.

I think what PP means is while each individual might have their own beliefs, one could also assume that in a place like Afghanistan the general attitude towards women amongst the population will be quite different to the UK.

You are incessantly talking about women's safety yet you voted for Trump who has been convicted of sexual assault and accused of countless rapes. He brags about assaulting women

And yet Kamala was the one that would put my community in more danger. She never cared about the tens of thousands of Haitians placed in small Ohio towns, nor did she have anything to say about Laken Riley nor Joyce Nungaray. Or Rachel Morin who was just out jogging (and that had reminded me of Molly Tibetts, another young woman just out for a jog and raped and murdered by an illegal immigrant). She never spoke or showed any respect to our concerns. Funny that.

We have a duty under international law to help people in our waters and to process their claims

International law is not worth the paper it’s written on. You could just … push them back to France. Nothing will happen but you’ve solved a big domestic problem.

If you can't understand that after being informed of it, countless times, then there's no point in discussing it with you

We can’t do anything because of a document signed before any of us were born! We must let women and girls in our community suffer because of our ‘international obligations’.

What a joke

What do you suggest politicians do? It's already been explained to you, many times, that France won't accept asylum seekers back

You CAN push boats back to the port of origin. Just do things. They’ll probably let you in the end.

It's also been explained to you, many times, that you can't send people back to where their lives are in danger

Taliban will be more than fine with Afghan males.

We have laws and things called human rights which unfortunately for you, apply to everyone. The government will be taken to court if they try to send people back to be tortured or killed

No they won’t. Don’t be silly.

What chaos and criminality? There's no evidence that asylum seekers have created chaos or a rise in criminality

Any crime by an unvetted migrant is a crime that never needed to happen. But you can see it clearly in stats in continental Europe if you like.

Any population of young males will have disproportionate amounts of crime. You know this.

70% of asylum seekers are granted asylum once their cases are heard. Of those who are refused asylum and appeal 30% are then granted asylum. So in fact the large majority - 80%+ - of asylum seekers are judged, by our own Home Office, to be genuine.

I rarely read 'racist' comments though
It's normally people complaining about lack of resources going to people from other countries rather than helping our own.

In fact I don't think I've ever read a comment on our local FB page of similar ilk saying "I don't like that race of people, I think they're inferior'
Is that what you are seeing OP?

Yes they are a specific threat to western women when they are in the same area as said western women.
And it's not my new stance, when they are in their home country they are a threat to those women in their home country. Yes men in those countries are upholding the policies and cultural norms in those countries, even if they then decide to leave for more money and freedom elsewhere (Europe) for themselves.
If they were such decent men would they not be better trying to change things from the inside in their home country? And if everyone seems to be pointing out that all these thousands and thousands of men trying to get to Europe are such upstanding, non criminal, safe men that could be an asset to us should try fixing problems at home, there's enough of them that the could make a difference.

She didn’t say all men over there are the same.
But there must be more than a handful agreeing with what’s going on.

I mean, it’s not some sort of natural disaster the women in Afghanistan are affected by.

What’s happening to them is inflicted on them by other people around them, specially men.

@RingoJuice

I could understand your concern about Harris if she was a sexual predator and a danger to people. I'm not getting into US politics because it will derail the thread, but your hypocrisy is astounding.

International law is not worth the paper it’s written on. You could just … push them back to France. Nothing will happen but you’ve solved a big domestic problem.

France is a sovereign country and won't take back the asylum seekers. They have said that they won't take them back. You can't push boats back to France, it's dangerous and could kill people.

International law is worth the paper it's written on and most countries are signed up to them.

You CAN push boats back to the port of origin. Just do things. They’ll probably let you in the end.

Even if you say it loads of times, the fact of the matter is, you can't. If we could take asylum seekers back to France, the Tories would have done it. We can't do it.

Taliban will be more than fine with Afghan males.

In order for someone to claim refugee status, it must be found that they are in danger of persecution. The Taliban rule with an iron fist and their punishments are arbitrary and cruel. You can be locked up, tortured or beaten for anything. It's lawless - I'm sure you approve.

Any crime by an unvetted migrant is a crime that never needed to happen. But you can see it clearly in stats in continental Europe if you like.

Any population of young males will have disproportionate amounts of crime. You know this.

There are several places in the UK where there are a few hundred asylum seekers. There will be articles detailing local crime, can you demonstrate a rise in crime due to the asylum seekers please.

If they were such decent men would they not be better trying to change things from the inside in their home country?
Just a hunch, but I think that might be really tricky, given the situations that lots of these countries are in.

And if everyone seems to be pointing out that all these thousands and thousands of men trying to get to Europe are such upstanding, non criminal, safe men that could be an asset to us
I don’t know how anyone could possibly guarantee that there aren’t criminals within any cultural group. I won’t even argue any statistics you’re able to pull out about the numbers of certain types of criminals within certain groups, if that’s what you want to do. That doesn’t mean every one is a criminal. Unless the statistics you find show that 100% of asylum seekers are committing crimes in the UK, my argument will be the same.

Unless the statistics you find show that 100% of asylum seekers are committing crimes in the UK, my argument will be the same

Even one woman raped or murdered by them is one too many. They should not be here.

Your argument is similar to, ‘not all transwomen have sexually assaulted someone in the bathroom’

I really don’t care. I don’t need the additional risk in my life or those of my children

Where did I say EVERY asylum seeker is a threat?
With the numbers coming over there is definitely a huge threat among the tens of thousands of them to see it as sacrificing western woman and girls safety to allow these men in.
Who in their right mind would think this is an acceptable risk?

And why are these countries in these tricky situations? Because of the men who call the place home that's why! And when they decide to jump ship for greener pastures they take their culture with them, the very culture and beliefs that created the problems at home.

i don't think it is racist or any other kind of ist to ask why do people want to come to Western countries, for the freedoms, social contracts and way of life that are absent from their own countries, but then try and maintain the very things they wanted to leave behind?

I worry about people who openly say they want to impose Sharia law in the UK. And there are some who do say that - I have seen interviews and heard it in real life from people in community meetings.
It isn't racist to object to those who want to introduce a completely different legal system (and one that totally disadvantages women)

I worry about the people who have come to live in the UK but who seem to have disdain for our culture and way of life. Why emigrate to a country but refuse to participate in shared social and cultural mores and activities?
And again, this disadvantages women, who end up isolated in a house, with no possibility of integration or even learning English.
When I worked as a social worker, in a northern town with a sizeable immigrant population, I came across this so many times, in some of the immigrant nationalities. And the young men appeared to be taught to maintain their attitudes towards women, despite attending schools and apparently integrating.

And now the influx of unattached young men of various nationalities and religions adds to the tension, some of which are slotting into gang culture, some of which have these mediaeval attitudes towards women.

Nothing to do with colour, not even religion as such, because many Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus and Jews are happily integrated into the UK and have been for years.
But something needs to be addressed here and the knee jerk reaction of calling it “racist” prevents it even being discussed.

“Unless the statistics you find show that 100% of asylum seekers are committing crimes in the UK, my argument will be the same.”

Wow! Do you apply this to everyone?

Unless all adults in a position of authority over children abuse them, we shouldn’t have DBS checks?

Unless every woman is raped by a doctor we shouldn’t have access to female only intimate care?

You don’t believe in safeguarding at all? Or you just don’t believe in safeguarding when it’s this specific group of undocumented men?

And why are these countries in these tricky situations? Because of the men who call the place home that's why!

Ahhh I see what perspective you’re coming from now. I have a lot I would like to say about this comment and the hand that the west have had (and continue to have) in these tricky situations, but it would derail the thread even more than it has already been derailed, and take up a lot of my time and energy to engage with. I’ll just respectfully agree to disagree with you.

Come to think of it @GretchenWienersHair 100% of them who came to the UK ILLEGALLY are criminals by virtue of how they got to the UK no? 🤔

It’s not really respectful disagreement to wave away rapes of women.

Wtf are you even talking about? Who the hell said anything about safeguarding?

Let me put it to you in very simple terms:

• there are thousands of asylum seekers leaving their homelands because it is unsafe
• after many stop offs along the way, some will end up on this little island
• some of those people will be criminals
• criminals should be dealt with accordingly (adding this in, in case it isn’t already glaringly fucking obvious)
• lots of them will have different cultural values and will need to adapt to life in the UK (again, in case that also isn’t glaringly obvious)
• lots of them will not be criminals
• if you are blaming them for crimes that they didn’t commit because some of them are criminals, you are racist

What is there to not understand?

You’re right. In that case send them all back to be killed, I guess.

You said that unless 100% of asylum seeking men were criminals, you were happy to have them come over.

This means you don’t care about any of the women who raped en mass in Cologne, about any of the women who have been raped, murdered and attacked here because it is not being committed by every single male asylum seeker.

I can imagine I’m irritating, what with me asking uncomfortable questions and posting data.

Killed? In France? By who?

I agree. I also wonder what will happen to the women in Afghanistan if more and more of the supposedly decent men leave.
These women can hardly follow them later, given that they’re not even allowed to leave their homes without male chaperones.

I am not saying they shouldn’t be allowed in because they have a different skin colour to me, I’m saying that they should not be here because we have no idea who they are, what their criminal background is or even how old they are. We do not need more young men here.

I am more than happy for the women to be given asylum which would highly suggest it is not about skin colour.

If you don’t understand that we do not put safeguards in check based on a 100% of one specific group committing crimes, rather than one group being vulnerable to other groups or more at risk (i.e women around 400 men without any idea of who they are) then I’m not sure what to tell you.

This was in response to @GretchenWienersHair ’s itemised 🙄 post

• some of those people will be criminals
• criminals should be dealt with accordingly (adding this in, in case it isn’t already glaringly fucking obvious)

but this isn’t the case for any other migrants. We do not give visas to migrants who have criminal records.