to be annoyed at so much racism re “the boat people”

[NavyOrca]

A large hotel local-ish to us (around 10 miles away) is currently closed for bookings as it is being occupied by just under 400 asylum seekers.

Recently, in our village and a couple of neighbouring ones, there has been a spate of parcels being stolen from doorsteps. I’m sure you can all work out who has taken the blame for this….! Even though one of the perpetrators is known to be a local lad, born and bred in our village, some people are still blaming others..

The comments on Facebook community groups are disgusting.

Since when has it been acceptable to so readily stick the blame upon those literally fleeing their countries?

I honestly feel that as a human race, we are devolving.

So now we’re just changing my words completely? What I said was:
Unless the statistics you find show that 100% of asylum seekers are committing crimes in the UK, my argument will be the same.
My argument being that assuming all asylum seekers are criminals is racist.

Read, ffs.

(While you’re reading, find the part where I said I don’t care about women being raped, please? I can’t seem to find it. Even if you can find somewhere that I implied it, that’ll do.)

Every man who illegally entered the UK would be killed at home? You're certain of this? Any stats to prove this? Every single one? Or maybe it's just that there is a perceived risk to some of these men? So we should accept a very real risk to women and girls all across Europe? Ok then.

I think it’s you who doesn’t even understand the implications of what you posted.

And who would kill them? The men of their home country? The very men you would welcome to Europe?

Last summer, Germany deported 28 Afghan nationals who had been charged with criminal acts back to Afghanistan.
From what I’ve read they were briefly detained upon their arrival back in Afghanistan, but soon released:

www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/abgeschobener-afghanistan-straftaeter-gespraech-100.html

“I think we should know the criminal background of men who want to migrate here because other countries have shown that this group has a high proclivity for sex assaults”

You: RACIST

Looks like you might be the kinda person OP is referring to

Well, if you had bothered to read any of my posts like I suggested you do, you might find that I have not once disagreed with the idea of needing criminal background checks. I don’t know how it could be logically put in place, given the circumstances they are arriving in, but that doesn’t mean I think that thinking that is racist.

I do think using it as an excuse to hold racist views (like so many defended on this thread) is an exercise only undertaken by racists, though.

Ooh you’re in for a treat when you read the rest of the thread! They’re out in full force on this one.

So you admit that we need to only allow men in who we have documentation for, admit that this isn’t possible when they come over illegally on boats and we allow them entry, but also think there should be no barriers to their entry…
Do you see how ridiculous this is?

Isn't that what the whole asylum process is for?
I don't know how it is in the UK but here it takes about 8 months.

There is no protocol for ensuring the asylum
seekers have clean criminal records. They don’t have passports, many come from countries that don’t even issue birth certificates never mind record crimes carefully.
Sadly.

At this point I’m going to assume you either don’t know how to use the search function on the webpage (therefore have no idea what my argument has been since I first joined this thread), have confused me with someone else or you’re choosing to fabricate arguments that I have never made. Each one of those scenarios is slightly foolish but some more than others.

And during those 8 months what? Free reign? So each man posses an acceptable risk to women and girls during that time? Well that's ok then isn't it.

And don't forget, that's a rolling 8 month time frame multiplied be tens of thousands of men

Ok explain to me where I went wrong

Should we have strict procedures on entry for asylum seekers whereby only ones with passports and the ability to check their criminal records should be permitted to enter?

I could have written all of that myself. The only thing that would be different is that I’m not a social worker,
although I do work with migrants.

What worries me, is that we are sleepwalking into a Farage government the same way we sleepwalked into Brexit.

Yep.
It scares me how little we learn from what is happening in the rest of Europe.
The only way we can avoid sleepwalking into a far right government is to really tackle this issue.

If you work/volunteer with applicants for asylum, is there a process for informing the people of British culture, norms and rules regarding behaviour, human rights and the rights of others such as women?

What do you propose?
Imprisonment?

Had OP’s post been about an immigrant family moving into an area and the locals being suspicious of them, I think the majority of the replies on here would have been different and more people would have sided with the family.

Large groups of mostly male asylum seekers are different though, there have been many issues connected to those groups in the recent past, so it’s more understandable if people are wary.

Of course it’s never ideal to suspect innocent people, but it’s also disingenuous to suggest people’s concerns are completely unfounded.

No, just don't let them in unless they have applied for and recieved approval before arrival

It's not illegal to enter the UK to claim asylum. In order to gain refugee status, which the majority of these people do, they have to have a fear of persecution in their home country.

You can't send people back to a country where they could be in danger.

There is no evidence that asylum seekers are more of a risk than other men in the UK. There is a lot of evidence that women and girls are in danger from British men and in particular, men they know.

Big groups of men with nothing to do and nothing to lose have some very fucked dynamic.