to be annoyed at so much racism re “the boat people”

[NavyOrca]

A large hotel local-ish to us (around 10 miles away) is currently closed for bookings as it is being occupied by just under 400 asylum seekers.

Recently, in our village and a couple of neighbouring ones, there has been a spate of parcels being stolen from doorsteps. I’m sure you can all work out who has taken the blame for this….! Even though one of the perpetrators is known to be a local lad, born and bred in our village, some people are still blaming others..

The comments on Facebook community groups are disgusting.

Since when has it been acceptable to so readily stick the blame upon those literally fleeing their countries?

I honestly feel that as a human race, we are devolving.

What do you suggest the government do? Let them sleep on the street? Ship them back to Afghanistan? Leave them floating around in the channel?

It's all very well demanding that we don't help asylum seekers, what do we do when they're in British water?

Shipping them back to Afghanistan is a wonderful start.

But you need to normalize boat pushbacks. They are coming from France and that’s where they should go back to.

push back....like killing people you mean?

Pushback to France/departure origin. It saves lives in the long run. Letting them land in the UK just incentivizes the whole thing, which you well know

It's illegal to send people to a place they could be persecuted and they can take the government to court to prevent that. The Rwanda scheme was illegal from the off because Rwanda didn't come up to required standards.

Boat pushbacks are illegal and France won't take them back. If France would take them back, that's where they'd be.

I find it very difficult to understand someone who has so little humanity they'd send someone back to the Taliban. But you don't believe in human rights or the rule of law. (Or reality as I've seen you on countless threads about asylum seekers and you already know that what you're suggesting is impossible).

France won't take them back.

Or better

Why would an average Afghan male be persecuted by the Taliban? They actually wouldn’t. So why do you care?

As for France, just push back the boats and let the French whine. They do nothing to stop the boats from launching so why not see what they do when you force the boats back (they’ll do nothing in the end)

The Taliban are one of the most Draconian regimes in the world. You can be persecuted for anything. I care about helping others, I don't want to live in a country that forces people back to be tortured or killed. I also care about the rule of law

It's against several international laws to push back boats. France have already said they won't take them back. You'll create an international problem and be breaking the law as well as putting people's lives at risk.

You go on about violence against women but at the same time don't care about human rights or the law. It's a major contradiction.

Australia do a decent job without killing people.

I care more about the actual people in my community than I do about young men of unknown provenance with very very different values, yes.

And I feel no shame over it. Quite the contrary.

You should feel shame over upholding international ‘obligations’ over the safety and dignity of the women of your own community.

There's no evidence to suggest that women are unsafe due to asylum seekers.

However, you don't believe in human rights or helping others so your opinions are hypocritical nonsense. The law and human rights can't just be applied to people you personally approve of.

Then again you support Trump and he brags about sexually assaulting women. You voted to put him in the Whitehouse then tell people they should be ashamed.

The OP said the Facebook posts were hateful and blamed the thefts on some member of the 400 strong group of asylum seekers/economic migrants living 10 miles away. @Rubytuesday77 is making a valid point. There have been incidents of such young men approaching local girls as if they are 'available' because of their dress. Doubtless, you will remember the sexual assaults on women in Germany at a New Year celebration some years ago, mostly attributed to male Syrian refugees. You may not remember the assaults on women in the crowd in Egypt (not sure if Cairo?) during an anti-government demonstration - some of those assaults included stripping women.
@Rubytuesday77 appears to be addressing the problem of young men from a very much more overtly misogynist society/culture than ours being left largely unsupervised and without what one might call orientation to fit in with how we live here. It's a valid point in the context of the OP's question. It's not racist to state facts, and not racist to think that immigrants should learn about our culture and conform to its norms.
As to missing parcels, ten miles seems quite a hike to pinch something that might be on someone's doorstep.

That’s only because the uk won’t record it. Not because the threat isn’t there. Germany have recorded crimes and found that “The Germany-wide statistics on sexual violence were also sobering. An internal study by the German federal law enforcement agency, leaked to a Zurich newspaper, revealed that asylum-seekers have committed some 7,000 sexual assaults (ranging from groping to gang-rape ) between 2015 and 2023. Although they make up only 2.5 per cent of the population, asylum-seekers made up 13.1 per cent of all sexual-assault suspects in 2021.
In 2023, there were 761 gang-rapes registered in Germany — almost two per day; 47.5 per cent of the suspects were foreigners.”

https://thecritic.co.uk/germany-is-acknowledging-the-unspeakable/

VAWG is far too an important topic to try to brush under the carpet. Either engage or don’t. But don’t try to pretend large numbers of undocumented men with no employment or anything constructive to fill their time with won’t be a danger to women.

Again this conversation is going in circles. Women are more in danger from people they know than strangers. Germany invited in over a million asylum seekers in 2015 and has one of the highest amounts of refugees in Europe.

If people don't want large amounts of men hanging about with nothing better to do, then the government needs to speed up the asylum process. It would save money on accommodation and they'd be able to work. At the same time, the government need to invest in ESOL and other ways of helping them integrate.

VAWAG shouldn't be brushed under the carpet and the UK is currently in crisis. It will take a seismic shift in society to bring down the numbers of women abused and killed by people they know.

Do you think women are safer with men they don’t know alone, at night?

Women are more in danger from people they know than strangers.

Who says an asylum seeker can’t become one of those „people a woman knows“? Can only local men be counted in that category?

The numbers of sexual assaults by asylum seekers stated in the link PP provided (some 7,000 between 2015 and 2023) must be coming from somewhere.

And that in 2021, up to 13.1 per cent of such assaults were committed by asylum seekers despite them constituting only 2.5 per cent of the population - do you that’s negligible?

@username299

Do you often go out walking alone at night? I would assume you do because you’d feel much safer doing that and being around unknown men (who you think are safer) than being at home with men you know.

Women are attacked more often by men they know because the men they know have more opportunity to attack them with impunity. It’s in private. No witnesses. No interventions.
Women have evolved to be frightened of being out at night alone. We try to keep ourselves safe by not doing this. By parking close to venues. By carrying keys and rape alarms.
Stop pretending that unknown men are safer to women.
You sound certifiable.

People who accuse people of sealioning, trolling and telling them they're 'certifiable' do so because they can't argue their case. They resort to childish attacks.

The data is very clear: women are more likely to be attacked by people they know than strangers. There's no evidence that asylum seekers are more of a danger to women than any other men.

Men are far more likely to be attacked by strangers than women.

Do you feel safe walking about at night alone? Is it something you frequently do?

It’s a very easy question to answer.

I’ve given you statistics. You ignore them. I’ve asked you questions. You ignore them. You flail around calling me “Islamophobic” until I pointed out I’ve not once mentioned or even alluded to it being a Muslim issue. Then you scuttled away for a little bit.
You repeatedly stated that women are more at risk at home and I point out that is because women don’t go out alone at night because of the risk of violence, not because unknown men are safer.
You are now saying that men are more likely to be attacked by strangers than women and I say again YES BECAUSE WOMEN TEND NOT BE OUT ALONE AT NIGHT- OPPORTUNITY!

You have failed to address anything.

It’s frankly embarrassing.

You're thinking of someone else. I'd rather you didn't respond to anymore of my posts. You're wasting my time. Ta ta.

There's no evidence that asylum seekers are more of a danger to women than any other men.

But PP provided you with some evidence, why are you ignoring it?

What evidence? Where does it say that asylum seekers in the UK are more of a danger to women than any other men?

The uk doesn’t record this. They won’t record whether the perpetrator of a crime is an asylum seeker. Germany do. They’ve found them to be over represented 6 times for sex crimes.

The issue isn’t that there is no risk. The issue is that we aren’t allowed to even know the risk.