to be annoyed at so much racism re “the boat people”

[NavyOrca]

A large hotel local-ish to us (around 10 miles away) is currently closed for bookings as it is being occupied by just under 400 asylum seekers.

Recently, in our village and a couple of neighbouring ones, there has been a spate of parcels being stolen from doorsteps. I’m sure you can all work out who has taken the blame for this….! Even though one of the perpetrators is known to be a local lad, born and bred in our village, some people are still blaming others..

The comments on Facebook community groups are disgusting.

Since when has it been acceptable to so readily stick the blame upon those literally fleeing their countries?

I honestly feel that as a human race, we are devolving.

You can’t say that a country is so bad that you need to flee but not so bad to leave women and children behind.

Or so bad you can go back for extended holidays, in some cases.

So men don’t abuse because of opportunity (it’s because of grooming), but they also abuse because of opportunity (in women’s toilets).

And you assume I don’t care about a woman being killed by a man because they’re Indian and here legally?

Is that the gist of your sealioning?

Presumably, you're trying to highlight racist attitudes towards asylum seekers by highlighting the different reception Ukrainian refugees received. you do know not all Ukrainians are white though don't you? Ukraine has a substantial Roma population some of whom will be among the 210,000 that sought refuge here. Not everything boils down to race.

You quoted me, but I don't know who you are talking about. Who is Powell? So I object to you using my "Not our problem, return them" which was in specific reference to Albanians and Vietnamese economic migrants. You can't take nuance out of context to make your own argument. As I noted, I would take every female Afghan if we could.

@Caddycat sorry, my post missed the tag.

And had documentation

You don't understand what sealioning is and don't seem to know much about VAWAG either.

My point was that given that men do have every opportunity to assault women and girls, the number abused and murdered by men they know far exceeds stranger assaults.

Asylum seekers aren't here illegally. It's not illegal to claim asylum.

You seem very concerned about the dangers of Muslim men as opposed to all men who pose a threat to women.

With benefits in your pocket!

Do I?

When have I mentioned or even alluded to Muslim men in particular?

“men do have every opportunity to assault women and girls, the number abused and murdered by men they know far exceeds stranger assaults.”

Because men, in the privacy of their own homes, have the OPPORTUNITY to abuse women. They don’t not often abuse them in public. Just the same as unknown men don’t abuse women in public as often. It’s about the OPPORTUNITY to abuse without other people witnessing or intervening.

“Sealioning is a form of trolling meant to exhaust the other debate participant with no intention of real discourse.”

People always query why men only?
Something never mentioned in discussions is "Rites of Passage" or "Forced Migration."
It's too long to post here, but available to search.

I agree with you

The difference might be that the Ukrainians were mostly women and children.

Documented women and children at that!

Sealioning is more complex than that. Someone disagreeing with you is normal on forums, it's not trolling.

The men coming off the small boats, which is the reason for the thread, are predominantly Muslim. The Daily Heil and other right wing news outlets are not showing pictures of Vietnamese men or other cultures, just Muslims.

We recently had riots which were focused on Muslims, people were attacking Mosques. The 'boat people' are assumed to be Muslim men.

I've already explained that we take in far more men from countries with terrible reputations for VAWAG yet apparently that's not a concern. I've also explained that women are far more vulnerable to men they know, but that's not a concern either.

Your concern seems to be Muslim asylum seekers. You seem to think they pose a far greater threat to women yet argue that they don't have the OPPORTUNITY to do so. Let that sink in.

I’ll ask you again, where have I mentioned or alluded to Muslim men being the sole risk to women?

Yes we all know how well the Roma are treated in the UK, no racism at all. When people talk about Ukrainians I really don't think they mean Roma, who are an ethnic group of their own.

It isn't about race; no-one really cares what colour or race they are, just that they are strangers. Strangers who have come from another culture, strangers who have no money or (in most cases) have no familial loyalty to us.

It's fear of strangers who we think won't behave like we do. It's easier to believe that strangers commit these (or any) crimes than people 'like us'. Whatever the reality is.

Not true, people did. Maybe you missed it because it didn't conform to your ideas about the frothing gammon.

I will also add - that yes, they are ethnically closer and also Christian so will be more accepted. That's just how humans are. They're a neighbouring tribe.

I've explained on my post.

Yanbu.

If people have concerns about the physical impact of migration that's fine, although I do wish they'd lead by example and start campaigning for an end to all emigration first.

However, if they just object to migrants from certain places, or if they ignore the 95% of legal/illegal to focus on the 5% that are asylum seekers then they're either easily manipulated by the media they consume, are, in fact, racist/bigoted/xenophobic or both.

There have been a plethora of threads by hosts here who have said their Ukrainian guests have been lazy, didn't want to integrate, learn English, get a job or leave their hosts home. Also Ukraine as a country might be christian, does not mean they all are. Do you just mean they aren't Muslim?

No. You didn’t give a single example. You simply ranted about assumptions you’ve made to try to obfuscate the conversation and attempt to frame me as something you have no evidence of me being.

You claim I only care about the violence perpetrated by Muslim men, so it should be very easy to find a quote to back up that assertion. Should it not? Considering you’ve formed such a strong opinion.

I gave many examples. I gave examples of the right-wing press, the summer riots, this thread and your posts claiming that asylum seekers are the biggest threat to women. Even though you admit they don't have an opportunity to be so.

Something else to consider. In the past people movement has been 2 way as those coming here were from desirable countries, so we would go to theirs too.

Now they come from Afghanistan and Syria for instance, we're left thinking, "Hang on, this is a bit one way."

Your bitterness is showing.

Noone has an issue with the working man, or working anyone come to that.