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to be annoyed at so much racism re “the boat people”

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NavyOrca · 19/12/2024 01:11

A large hotel local-ish to us (around 10 miles away) is currently closed for bookings as it is being occupied by just under 400 asylum seekers.

Recently, in our village and a couple of neighbouring ones, there has been a spate of parcels being stolen from doorsteps. I’m sure you can all work out who has taken the blame for this….! Even though one of the perpetrators is known to be a local lad, born and bred in our village, some people are still blaming others..

The comments on Facebook community groups are disgusting.

Since when has it been acceptable to so readily stick the blame upon those literally fleeing their countries?

I honestly feel that as a human race, we are devolving.

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GeneralPeter · 19/12/2024 13:23

Annabella92 · 19/12/2024 13:01

Not true, people did. Maybe you missed it because it didn't conform to your ideas about the frothing gammon.

I will also add - that yes, they are ethnically closer and also Christian so will be more accepted. That's just how humans are. They're a neighbouring tribe.

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Yes, I'm not sure exactly what the 'it' refers to, but if I've missed something then please let me know.

I certainly haven't called anyone frothing gammon (or really implied it). Are you confusing me with another poster?

xILikeJamx · 19/12/2024 13:28

DingDongVerilyOnHigh · 19/12/2024 04:09

Does he?

Do you know his personal circumstances?

The unintentional irony on this comment is off the scale! 😂

Superb. 10/10

Dragonfly97 · 19/12/2024 13:28

DingDongVerilyOnHigh · 19/12/2024 04:12

I'll tell you something.

Men from the UK are often problematic.

Do you think men from 'less enlightened' societies, aren't more problematic?

No more men thanks.

I'll take women.

Thanks.

This. Large groups of young men from countries that are known for mistreatment/suppression of women being dumped in small towns in a free, liberal society is worrying for women. It's not racist to think this. I'll put women's safety before worrying about being seen as racist.

Tinselskirt · 19/12/2024 13:28

hattie43 · 19/12/2024 07:57

I get tired of hearing all this your racist bile from the fluffy clouds and rainbow brigade .
It's not racisf to wonder about the practicalities of absorbing millions of unknown young men . Where are they going to live . How are they going to integrate . How are they going to change a cultural mindset that women are inferior . How can we afford it all .
I would have far less issue if we had the infrastructure to cope .

What makes you think white British men don't think women are inferior?

Never had a problem with the asylum seekers near me - hundreds must have been moved through that accommodation, if not thousands. Not one single problem. I can give you a list as long as a runway of all the ways I've been negatively affected by white British men because I'm a woman.

caringcarer · 19/12/2024 13:46

timetodecide2345 · 19/12/2024 05:44

And now Farage has been given millions by Musk he will be able to capitalise on this feeling and exploit it. It's only going to get worse.

He hasn't been given any money yet. Musk is considering giving Farage some. Why do you claim Farage has received money from Musk. You are just made that up.

PiggyPigalle · 19/12/2024 13:47

Tinselskirt · 19/12/2024 13:28

What makes you think white British men don't think women are inferior?

Never had a problem with the asylum seekers near me - hundreds must have been moved through that accommodation, if not thousands. Not one single problem. I can give you a list as long as a runway of all the ways I've been negatively affected by white British men because I'm a woman.

"Never had a problem with the asylum seekers near me"

They'd be pretty stupid to cause problems before gaining asylum.

inamarina · 19/12/2024 13:52

argyllherewecome · 19/12/2024 13:04

There have been a plethora of threads by hosts here who have said their Ukrainian guests have been lazy, didn't want to integrate, learn English, get a job or leave their hosts home. Also Ukraine as a country might be christian, does not mean they all are. Do you just mean they aren't Muslim?

Also Ukraine as a country might be christian, does not mean they all are.

Exactly the same thing could be said for the UK.
Don’t you think people coming from countries with similar attitudes towards religion as the UK might find it easier to integrate here than people from highly religious countries?

caringcarer · 19/12/2024 13:52

Lots of these asylum seekers are put up at a 4 hotel where I live. Strangely not 1 female among them. I can't say I've heard crime has increased where I live though. What people complain about is the weddings that had been booked for months all got cancelled to accommodate these immigrants who were given mobile phones and money. We have local people who are homeless living on the streets even over the winter but they are not put up in 4 hotels and fed. This is why people get angry. Now we have found out recently the immigrants are receiving private health care while everybody else has to wait indefinitely on waiting lists for the NHS. People get angry because the immigrants are jumping waiting lists and receiving better treatment than our own citizens including a few ex service men living on the streets.

Kianai · 19/12/2024 13:56

What makes you think white British men don't think women are inferior?

This is why I think some western women are naive to the point of ignorance.

You have no idea of the freedoms you actually have, and how easily they can be snatched away.

There are bad men in all countries. But it is madness to pretend that a culture where women can very easily and socially acceptably, work, own property, vote, go out without a male family member, report a rape without being killed, are seen as human beings with human rights by the majority (because if they weren't then you wouldn't be living like this) is just 'as bad' as one where you cannot.

It is insulting to every woman and girl who actually had to live that life while you grew up in a utopia by comparison!

I hope you can remain blissful in your ignorance. But I fear you will not.

I never want to be in a country where a large amount of men think of me and my daughter as less than human again. I felt safe here. And it is very safe to see women if the UK inviting their own destruction.

username299 · 19/12/2024 13:57

caringcarer · 19/12/2024 13:52

Lots of these asylum seekers are put up at a 4 hotel where I live. Strangely not 1 female among them. I can't say I've heard crime has increased where I live though. What people complain about is the weddings that had been booked for months all got cancelled to accommodate these immigrants who were given mobile phones and money. We have local people who are homeless living on the streets even over the winter but they are not put up in 4 hotels and fed. This is why people get angry. Now we have found out recently the immigrants are receiving private health care while everybody else has to wait indefinitely on waiting lists for the NHS. People get angry because the immigrants are jumping waiting lists and receiving better treatment than our own citizens including a few ex service men living on the streets.

This is what you get as an asylum seeker. No private healthcare, no mobile phones. Just £50 a week, housing and NHS care.

Asylum support

How to apply for asylum support if you're waiting to find out if you'll be given asylum in the UK

https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

Jayne35 · 19/12/2024 14:00

argyllherewecome · 19/12/2024 09:27

You might want to look at overall UK statistics, the white/local perpetrators who assault females don't seem to have a great view on women either.

I am well aware of that, but we all already know how women are treated by men in the countries they are fleeing from and it is much worse than how western men treat women.

Babadookinthewardrobe · 19/12/2024 14:05

Kianai · 19/12/2024 13:56

What makes you think white British men don't think women are inferior?

This is why I think some western women are naive to the point of ignorance.

You have no idea of the freedoms you actually have, and how easily they can be snatched away.

There are bad men in all countries. But it is madness to pretend that a culture where women can very easily and socially acceptably, work, own property, vote, go out without a male family member, report a rape without being killed, are seen as human beings with human rights by the majority (because if they weren't then you wouldn't be living like this) is just 'as bad' as one where you cannot.

It is insulting to every woman and girl who actually had to live that life while you grew up in a utopia by comparison!

I hope you can remain blissful in your ignorance. But I fear you will not.

I never want to be in a country where a large amount of men think of me and my daughter as less than human again. I felt safe here. And it is very safe to see women if the UK inviting their own destruction.

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Well said.

caringcarer · 19/12/2024 14:05

@ElangaScores it is simply not true. The UK has more illegal immigrants than any other EU country. The study by Oxford University found this to be the case.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/10/07/britain-has-most-illegal-migrants-in-europe-study-finds/

caringcarer · 19/12/2024 14:08

2dogsandabudgie · 19/12/2024 08:27

So you're in favour of people risking their lives in small boats. What about the criminals behind all of this who are making vast amounts of money who couldn't care less what happens to these people once they are in the boat.

Nobody should be making the journey across the channel this way. France is not a country at war. They don't need to make this journey.

I agree we should take "our share" but not via this route.

We already take more than our fair share. www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/10/07/britain-has-most-illegal-migrants-in-europe-study-finds/

argyllherewecome · 19/12/2024 14:08

inamarina · 19/12/2024 13:52

Also Ukraine as a country might be christian, does not mean they all are.

Exactly the same thing could be said for the UK.
Don’t you think people coming from countries with similar attitudes towards religion as the UK might find it easier to integrate here than people from highly religious countries?

What are the similar attitudes? Our UK prisons are full of white, British men who have been convicted of murder, rape, paedophilia, assault, robbery, drug dealing. It isn't the case that a white British rapist or murderer has much better religious ideologies. I suspect maybe you just mean they aren't muslim, therefore are somewhat 'safer' or less than a threat?

GretchenWienersHair · 19/12/2024 14:09

Annabella92 · 19/12/2024 13:01

Not true, people did. Maybe you missed it because it didn't conform to your ideas about the frothing gammon.

I will also add - that yes, they are ethnically closer and also Christian so will be more accepted. That's just how humans are. They're a neighbouring tribe.

Edited

yes, they are ethnically closer and also Christian so will be more accepted.

So it is because of their ethnicity? I’m confused; are you accepting that it’s a racist attitude to have or not?

LlynTegid · 19/12/2024 14:09

How many of those who complain about migrants who come in small boats or unofficially are those who make the option more attractive. It is not just the English language that makes the UK attractive to many. You make it more attractive if you are taking illegal drugs, going to places and buying goods or services where people are paid cash in hand, having a fast food delivery instead of walking to the takeaway, for example.

The point about misogyny or worse in other countries being worse and more unofficial migrants being men is well made.

WasThatACorner · 19/12/2024 14:11

GeneralPeter · 19/12/2024 10:38

@WasThatACorner

Because people who want to be angry about immigration could see one crime committed by an immigrant and take that as evidence for their argument. That's how hate and fear mongering works.

The published data would (I truly believe) show that the vast majority of immigrants commit no crime, that most national groups commit crime at a similar rate or lower than the UK population.

Wouldn't that help reduce hate and fear-mongering?

I think it would probably also show a few groups with hugely disproportionate crime issues (but still, the majority of those groups being blameless).

We could then discuss those specific problem groups rather than risk tarring all. That's good in your book presumably.

A lot of people use data to only show their own point. I doubt they would look deeply enough to make any distinctions between the group as a whole. It weakens the argument that they want to make.

You only have to look at how Trumps "they're eating pets" comments conti ue to circulate even after they were debunked. Some people don't let facts or data get in the way of their beliefs.

LakieLady · 19/12/2024 14:12

PerditaLaChien · 19/12/2024 06:14

400 young men from different culture being housed near you with no income?
Can you not see why it might be confusing to long lived local people?

This, but also why does arriving on a boat as an illegal immigrant entitle access to often a better quality of emergency accommodation than we provide to struggling families born here?

Probably because the Home Office has negotiated a better deal with the accommodation providers than the local council has.

Annabella92 · 19/12/2024 14:15

GretchenWienersHair · 19/12/2024 14:09

yes, they are ethnically closer and also Christian so will be more accepted.

So it is because of their ethnicity? I’m confused; are you accepting that it’s a racist attitude to have or not?

No need to be confused, different people will have different perceptions. Some people prefer their neighbours to be primarily, or at least include people of the same or a similar race to themselves. Thats not a novel observation. Many of the incomers prefer to live in areas where they're not such a minority.

Annabella92 · 19/12/2024 14:17

WasThatACorner · 19/12/2024 14:11

A lot of people use data to only show their own point. I doubt they would look deeply enough to make any distinctions between the group as a whole. It weakens the argument that they want to make.

You only have to look at how Trumps "they're eating pets" comments conti ue to circulate even after they were debunked. Some people don't let facts or data get in the way of their beliefs.

You misunderstood Trumps tactics, he hung libs with their own rope there!

Petrasings · 19/12/2024 14:18

A day of reckoning is going to come for the posters that have lost all grip of reality.

The lefties that can’t see any problems beyond the end of their own (leafy) street - they can’t even work out the basic economics of millions of arrivals with low or no skills, barely any English skills at all and in many cases no intention whatsoever of integrating!
It is beyond belief.

They chant the same slogans without actually considering that there might be some pretty major consequences coming down the track for their lives, their free NHS, their child’s free schooling, the free motorways of today. It is all going to be sacrificed at the alter of open borders under a LABOUR government at this rate.

They might shriek and say it will never happen. Oh yes it will, because we really really can not support 75 million people even if we rinse the rich dry and put taxes up to 45% for everyone. Some bloody hard choices are coming for the naive and no doubt they will squeal that there isn’t a money tree and why can’t we do it all, have they bothered to look at the country’s debt?? The GDP? The bloated welfare state? Fuck me. It is going to hit the fan.

WasThatACorner · 19/12/2024 14:21

Annabella92 · 19/12/2024 14:17

You misunderstood Trumps tactics, he hung libs with their own rope there!

No, I understand what he did. He laid so many traps that the Democrats walked into even after the election.

What I'm talking about is the fact that in some corners of the Internet those comments are still being trotted out as fact.

Petrasings · 19/12/2024 14:24

WasThatACorner · 19/12/2024 14:21

No, I understand what he did. He laid so many traps that the Democrats walked into even after the election.

What I'm talking about is the fact that in some corners of the Internet those comments are still being trotted out as fact.

Do you actually believe Trump one a landslide due to a few ‘traps’ that the democrats stumbled into? 😱 this really shows you know nothing about American politics nor the polls and markets predicting this for months before hand. Trump won a landslide because Americans want change.

inamarina · 19/12/2024 14:26

argyllherewecome · 19/12/2024 14:08

What are the similar attitudes? Our UK prisons are full of white, British men who have been convicted of murder, rape, paedophilia, assault, robbery, drug dealing. It isn't the case that a white British rapist or murderer has much better religious ideologies. I suspect maybe you just mean they aren't muslim, therefore are somewhat 'safer' or less than a threat?

Similar attitudes towards religion.

You said previously: „Also Ukraine as a country might be christian, does not mean they all are. Do you just mean they aren't Muslim?“

I suspect many Ukrainians might be atheists or agnostic, so not particularly religious at all, not just „not muslim“.

And why are you taking about white British men in prisons, when the majority of refugees from Ukraine were women and children?

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