To be worried about what the Labour government will do next?

[Scenicgirl]

Let's be honest, Labour has been a massive disappointment for this country, pissing off the pensioners with taking away the WFA, the farmers, NI changes which impact employers, immigration etc and today refusing compensation to the WASPI women after they ridiculed the Conservatives when they didn't commit to a solution. Don't we deserve better than this constant shit show of lies and deceptions which were clearly spouted out purely to gain power?
For the 1st time in my life, I worry about where we are heading.

Life long Labour supporter/voter but will never vote for them again.
A U turn here, a U turn there...all a load of hypocrites and every bit as crap and full of false promises as the Tories.

Surely the school has communicated how much fees will be from January? Most schools seem to be able to shave off around 5% and reduce their fees accordingly. I’d be budgeting for current fees plus 15%.

Yes, this is the case with dd albeit she refuses to be tested or even entertain the idea that she may be autistic. She won’t be moved back as she’s in 6th form now. I tried very hard to get her back to state education. But she developed anorexia and wasn’t well enough to move schools. She was in state school and just started year 9 when I pulled her out.

Ours have BUT like many we pay over nine months via direct debit. Our November and December payments are credited towards the spring term but we didn’t pay VAT on them. So our direct debits from Jan will
need to be adjusted to take into account the VAT owed on the November and December payments as well as the VAT due on the remaining payments. We’ve not received a new direct debit schedule, which is not surprising as many schools aren’t registered for VAT yet. There is a backlog at HMRC (who warned the Gov that they needed more time to implement) but the Gov stuck their fingers in their ears. It’s a shit show.

You're not wrong OP but MN is packed full of posters who feel Labour can do no wrong simply because "they're not tories". It's simplistic and dangerous.

For me, if Labour wants to change policy then fine. I don't agree but it's their right to do so. However, it's the duplicitous double standards and sheer hypocrisy of them that gets me.

Take the WASPI Women for example. I'm sorry to say, it was always doubtful that they'd be paid. However there are photos of Rachel Reeves and Liz Kendall promising to get them justice, whilst in opposition. How can they look these women in the face??!

They are making harmful political choices with little or no experience of those people ; farms, small businesses etc. the fishermen are next.

Sunday the government announces £50 million for Syria, Tuesday it announces they can't pay the WASPI women because it's a burden on the taxpayer 😂

I've never seen a government piss off so many different groups of people just after they win an election. Of course you'll get the diehard supporters who will justify everything labour do as for the greater good but I can see the tide turning for many, I live in a labour safe seat and our local labour councillor has turned off comments on her Facebook page and our labour MP doesn't engage with anyone now because of the criticism they are getting. If they had an election tomorrow I highly doubt labour would win again with their performance so far.

I hated Tory rule but I don't like the current Government either because they seem to just want to cut as much as the Tories did. Why are they not resetting the tax structure? Why are they not closing tax loopholes for international corporations? Why are they so bad at retaining female MPs (hm, I think we actually know that)? But anyway, I'm not an ardent voter of any partty, they are all terrible in my view. Having said all that, it's only been 5 months so give them a chance. If you are a higher earner being asked to contribute a little more to help the country, I can't see anything wrong with that.

Let's also be honest, lots of people don't share your feelings.

All parties bend the truth aka lie.

Let's be honest, Labour has been a massive disappointment for this country
Let's also be honest, lots of people don't share your feelings.

YouGov has Starmer's popularity at 26%. He is disliked by 53% i.e. more than half of voters.
A lot of people do share OP's disappointment.

get exposed for receiving over £100,000 worth of freebies

He didn't get exposed. He declared it. "Getting exposed" infers that he did something underhand and tried to hide it, like Boris did with about 800k of funding. Whilst it may have been inadvisable to accept such freebies, he did nothing wrong, and declared it per the rules. I'll have a look back to see if you complained about that when Boris was exposed in the true sense of the word. I suspect not.

As for the rest, and as others have pointed out, you still haven't actually pointed to any specific lies. I think most of the changes they've made are good, although they may have got the breakpoint wrong in some, the principles are good. We need drastic change, and it was always going to be uncomfortable fixing what the Conservatives broke.

He didn't get exposed. He declared it. "Getting exposed" ones that he did something underhand and tried to hide it,
Wasn't it handy that the declaration was after the election and not before. Some may say that the timing of the freebies, and hence the declaration, was underhand; an attempt to hide the truth until after the election.

My biggest worry is that Labour have proved themselves to be, as many expected, pretty dumb.

I’d hoped, like many, that they’d have used the last 14 years wisely to craft the foundations of what will need to be cross-party solutions to major long-term policy issues… tax, social care, education, NHS, economic growth. So they could come in and be the grown ups who change the direction of the country.

Instead they’ve proved they can’t do long term thinking, they don’t have any big ideas, and they think they can dupe the public by saying one thing and then doing it anyway whilst “cleverly” not technically doing the thing they said they wouldn’t do.

I’m done with them. KS Is weak and has no vision. RR is totally out of her depth and has promoted herself well beyond her capabilities. AR is consumed by hatred for anyone who has achieved anything in life, Bridget Philipson is so preoccupied with taxing mean nasty private school parents than she has no grip on overall schooling at all.

As for their policies, they’ve proved how stupid Labour are.

WFA - They were right to means test it but they shot themselves in the foot by using the wrong mechanism

WASPI - They are right to refuse compensation but they look like clowns because in the past they blindly supported the cause without ever thinking how they’d manage it if they were in govt

Farmers - of course farmers should pay IHT under certain conditions, but they’ve got the conditions wrong and ended up penalising a smalll older cohort. There were so many other ways this could have been done.

Private schooling - politics of envy. It’s basically their flagship policy… they have nothing else. They have no clue how many SEN kids their are in the system and no capacity to take them back into state.

Employer NI… proves their incompetence. Raises very little when you consider impact on jobs and now they’ve had to scrap the pensions review because they’re worried about asking employers to pay more for the cost of workers.

i actually cannot think of one thing they’ve got right???

Disclaimer: I voted to eject conservatives (LD as our area will never go Labour).

YABU I am happy the grown ups have arrived.

What have they done that is “grown up”? Genuine question.

I see the applications for pension credit are going well, they can't cope and it looks like less than 20% of those eligible applied. People would be lucky to get it for next winter if everyone eligible had applied

To be fair this is a DWP initiative and a DWP issue, but Labour we’re stupid to peg the WFA to PC

Many Labour supporters will vote Labour no matter what. I don't support Labour or Tories. I tend to support small parties. Labour doesn't care about people who work but aren't earning a high wage. We can just fund all their bad decisions whilst they pretend to support working class people.

Tax advisor here. Why aren’t they closing the loopholes so international corporations pay their tax. Clues in the ‘international’ part of their name. International rules for international companies. The OECD is working towards making companies pay tax but it’s a long process which can only be achieved by countries working together. Practically nothing Labour can do about it. Why would any government not be getting all the taxes it possibly can from companies?

Because I think we’ve realised the govt is not actually running the country

whichever side you support, know that none, not one truly represents the proletariat/ordinary person.

They are all out of touch (2017 figures)

Labour under Starmer

Conservatives under Sunak

Do not delude yourselves that any of them care one iota about us, but defend them, whomever, to your heart's content. 💐

I think when even the unions are taking them to court, we have an administration on a dogma-driven power kick.

Soon there won't be any part of society that they haven't betrayed or pissed off.

When that happens, their back bench MPs have the option of a no-confidence vote and can oust the leadership. Let's hope it happens before they bring the economy to its knees.

Quite frighteningly incompetent.

Floating voter, Labour this time. I am very disappointed on two fronts.
This is an anti-growth budget: taxing businesses means that business sentiment has plummeted, hiring has halted and jobs will go offshore. New rules on Capital Gains Tax drives away investment: it is much more risky to put your money into starting a new company or back business growth than to put your money into the bank. This applies whether you’re a plumber with 3 workers or an angel investor.
The second is the cabinet. Rachel Reeves lying about a long career as an economist when it’s not true, Starmer just being wet and unable to speak normally, the clothes scandal, the way they hired and fired Sue Grey..
I have time for Angela Raynor and Wes Streeting though; they have the courage of their convictions at least.

People should be worried. The FTSE is shrinking because companies are pulling out and re registering in New York. People hate business but that’s what is paying for these big ideas. Like it or not.

I said long ago, my team was thinking of relocating to NYC and it got dismissed. Or fuck off then. These are big, global, financial companies. They are pulling out of the city and going. The UK is not attractive to invest. The magic money tree is upping roots.

The London stock market has shrunk at its fastest pace in over a decade as companies are pulling ore “fucking off and leaving” taking their investment and tax with them. Slow hand clap 👏🏻

Great, it's all going well then........