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Sister refuses to pay me back for money I loaned

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Anon777 · 17/12/2024 15:25

My sister borrowed £2.5k money from me on the premise she would pay it back.

Refuses to pay it back and keeps saying she is broke. She lives with parents with her own flat on rent and has a full-time job. My parents think I am wrong for even asking.

What can I do???

OP posts:
Mrsbloggz · 17/12/2024 18:43

Dont write it off OP, get your pound of flesh!!

wigsonthegreenandhatsforthelifting · 17/12/2024 18:43

Take her to the small claims court and cut the lot of them off. They are bringing you nothing but misery.

Surely the transaction in your bank account would be evidence of your making a payment? Though she might try to argue that you were paying her for something? Worth finding out at least.

Eyesopenwideawake · 17/12/2024 18:44

You're up to 5 pages of pretty much unanimous advice to write off the money and cut them out of your life.

What do you think to that idea?

Anon777 · 17/12/2024 18:47

Eyesopenwideawake · 17/12/2024 18:44

You're up to 5 pages of pretty much unanimous advice to write off the money and cut them out of your life.

What do you think to that idea?

I really need the money badly right now and it would help us so much right now.
Plus they want me to drop it and have even ignored my call and pretended they are not in when I knock on the door!!!!

OP posts:
Blackbird11 · 17/12/2024 18:49

Anon777 · 17/12/2024 18:47

I really need the money badly right now and it would help us so much right now.
Plus they want me to drop it and have even ignored my call and pretended they are not in when I knock on the door!!!!

@Anon777 Please look at the guidance I have just posted.

DetestTheClockChange · 17/12/2024 18:50

Eyesopenwideawake · 17/12/2024 18:44

You're up to 5 pages of pretty much unanimous advice to write off the money and cut them out of your life.

What do you think to that idea?

It's not unanimous to write the money off though.

Plenty of people, me included, think OP should try and recover the money through small claims and then cut them off.

DetestTheClockChange · 17/12/2024 18:51

Blackbird11 · 17/12/2024 18:42

@Anon777 - there is good news, the cost of registering your claim in the small claims court is £115. The forms are designed for you to do yourself without a solicitor so that’s your only cost. Each side pays their own legal costs so they would pay their own. First you must send a ‘letter before action’ warning that proceedings will start if you are not repaid within 28 days. You can find examples online but you only really need to state the facts and provide proof. So saying you lent the money proving you paid it to them and then saying they’ve refused to pay it back. Any background information that supports the circumstances even if this is your recollection of conversations. You have to say what you want from the other party so immediate repayment of the sum lent. You can’t prove it was a loan they can’t prove it was a gift. The judge will make a decision based on the information presented. The case is on the public record. The worst outcome for you is paying £115 and not recovering the money but their behaviour will be noted and that might give you some closure. Please do this.

IMO this is the best advice on the thread.

They should be held to account. You deserve your money. They don't deserve you in their lives.

Hyperbowl · 17/12/2024 18:56

You’re unlikely to ever see that money but as others have said, threaten to report them to HMRC. I would bet my life they’d shit theirselves too because they haven’t declared it and tax evasion is a serious crime and lack of proper landlord insurance etc to boot. Your mum can say it was your husband who gave her those bruises all she likes, without actual proof it was him and having your narcissistic family as “witnesses” won’t stick in court. Stand up for yourself and stop blindly believing the lies they tell you.

Edit: Just to clear up any confusion I’m not saying to threaten them so that they will give you your money back. Just tell them that you’re going to do it in order to make them suffer a tiny percentage of what they’ve made you suffer.

Eyesopenwideawake · 17/12/2024 18:57

Be very careful about threatening to report to HMRC, it could be construed as blackmail. Just do it!!

Christmasalreadyinourhouse · 17/12/2024 18:58

OP- sorry haven't been through the whole thread, but wondering why have you given her such a large amount of money in the first place? Considering your relationship worh all of them and the low contact.

AegonT · 17/12/2024 18:59

Sorry you won't get that money back. I'm also so sorry about your family. They won't change and it isn't your fault. I would go no contact. Are your in-laws nice?

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 17/12/2024 19:00

You need to ask a solicitor for a free consultation. Ask them if the dad and sis backing up the mother's accusations against your DH will stand up. If it won't do the try the small claims route if you really need the money.

Then you really need to consider what do these people add to your life. Are there any positives at all. You've said they already want to you to "cut them off", that they've told you they are leaving everything to your SIS and that they continue to treat you badly and won't open the door to you. So if you have a solicitor's advice that their threats to implicate your DH in abuse will not hold up - you have nothing to lose by taking them to small claims and then doing what they want which is cutting them off.

Blackbird11 · 17/12/2024 19:00

Hyperbowl · 17/12/2024 18:56

You’re unlikely to ever see that money but as others have said, threaten to report them to HMRC. I would bet my life they’d shit theirselves too because they haven’t declared it and tax evasion is a serious crime and lack of proper landlord insurance etc to boot. Your mum can say it was your husband who gave her those bruises all she likes, without actual proof it was him and having your narcissistic family as “witnesses” won’t stick in court. Stand up for yourself and stop blindly believing the lies they tell you.

Edit: Just to clear up any confusion I’m not saying to threaten them so that they will give you your money back. Just tell them that you’re going to do it in order to make them suffer a tiny percentage of what they’ve made you suffer.

Edited

@Anon777 @Hyperbowl in your ‘letter before action’ you could indeed add that you believe your sister has the means to repay you because she lives with your parents and receives monthly rent from a mortgage free property. Lodging the information in an official document would hopefully help them see sense.

DonnaBanana · 17/12/2024 19:00

Everyone learns this lesson, consider it yours. Never ever ever ever ever lend anyone money. You can give people money but never lend it. It can turn the most reliable of people into bitter thieves who think you’re the bad guy for wanting your money back. Never do it.

Khanga27 · 17/12/2024 19:00

Do you know any solicitor friends that may be able to write a formal looking letter regarding the debt? Might scare them into at least offering something back

FizzyBisto · 17/12/2024 19:02

Anon777 · 17/12/2024 18:30

And my mum and dad want to leave their property in her name only. Saying she needs it more than me.

Wow, they can't even come up with anything approaching a convincing lie?

She 'needs' it?! What does she even do with her £3K+ monthly income, from which she has nothing at all that she has to pay for?

The only small comfort to you, I suppose, is that, having been used to no housing costs or bills for all of these years, nor any living/food/hobby costs, and (presumably) squandering her income on luxuries and fripperies, when she eventually does inherit the house, the sudden costs and necessary admin of having to run it will hit her so hard. Even though she'll be far from it in reality, she will feel like she's been plunged into huge poverty and will probably never recover.

MildredSauce · 17/12/2024 19:09

@Anon777 what do you think about the solutions people have been giving you?

Ukholidaysaregreat · 17/12/2024 19:10

Hi OP I would cut them off and not speak to them any more. Or at least don't engage and certainly don't lend them any money. Invest in your friends, your house, your friends and things that you like to do. Wishing you the best of luck with this. They don't deserve you.

Lellojello · 17/12/2024 19:14

Anon777 · 17/12/2024 16:09

She's always been the golden child.
It's been a tough relationship for me with my parents.
I've been through counselling and limited distance but they genuinely think they are right.
They have never wanted me to be happy or successful in life.
It was an abusive childhood for me but her being the golden child was given everything. Even in adulthood my parents pay for her hobbies that are over £100 an hour.
My parents have always hated me. Not sure why. Always calling me stupid.

I've learnt my lesson.

Based on this. NC and lots of therapy.

Will bring you greater wealth than 2.k will.

Fuck them.

Tumbler2121 · 17/12/2024 19:17

If you are not sure whether to proceed you can get a debt collection company to send a letter before action, complete with dates and consequences. Interest can also be added to the original debt.

It looks/is very official, and you can choose whether proceed if the money doesn't turn up from this letter.

I have known them to be very successful when being nice and understanding hasn't worked!

Lellojello · 17/12/2024 19:19

Anon777 · 17/12/2024 18:47

I really need the money badly right now and it would help us so much right now.
Plus they want me to drop it and have even ignored my call and pretended they are not in when I knock on the door!!!!

But they are 'eyeing your husbands money'

OP, I don't think you really want advice.

You cannot see that 2.5k is worth it to see the back of them (if indeed what you say is true)

So keep moaning about them.

Won't change a damn thing.

wigsonthegreenandhatsforthelifting · 17/12/2024 19:22

Lellojello · 17/12/2024 19:19

But they are 'eyeing your husbands money'

OP, I don't think you really want advice.

You cannot see that 2.5k is worth it to see the back of them (if indeed what you say is true)

So keep moaning about them.

Won't change a damn thing.

I disagree - I firmly believe that the OP should go to the small claims court AND cut the fuckers off.

As for you saying, you don't think she wants advice - would you ever have a read through the OPs's posts and look at the traumatic and difficult relationship she has had with these people? Maybe you could empathise just a little bit?

HidingFromDD · 17/12/2024 19:22

I think you need to reframe this. You can go down the route of small claims court and that may help but, consider the challenges you have had in life and how they have resulted in the person you are now. You are independent, and whilst you may need that money, you actually were in a position to lend it three years ago so you are good financially and looking after your own family. Your sister, however, is completely dependent on your parents, and you can bet that when they go she’ll blow through any inheritance at rapid speed and then be looking for the next person to leech off. You’ve had a hard childhood and not received the love you should have done from your parents and that hurts, but you have overcome that and succeeded. You may lose the money, but if the end result is that you finally let go and go nc with your parents then it’s probably a small price to pay to finally get peace xx

ChangeofAir · 17/12/2024 19:23

You can't get the money back because you have no proof it was a loan and it was ever intended to be paid back.

Your entire family are toxic, but you are an adult now. You can decide how much toxicness you take.

Or, walk away and enjoy your life.

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