to not understand MNers against neurodiversity

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Inspired by another thread on here today but it’s an ongoing trend.

I’ve noticed that most, if not all of the time, when a poster suggests that a behaviour may be caused by ND, other posters jump on them and seem enraged that ‘everything is explained away with neurodiversity these days’.

There has been a lot of progress in understanding these conditions which has naturally contributed to an increase in people getting diagnosed. It is especially increasing in females as, per most medical issues, the parameters for diagnoses were created around male behaviour.

As someone currently in the latter part of the long and stressful diagnosis process, my motivation to suggest ND when I recognise certain traits in situations described is that my heart goes out to those who could flourish with a little extra understanding of how their brains work, especially children. I believe I would be a different person now if I’d had the support I needed growing up, instead of just believing I was lazy, clumsy and weird.

I feel a lot of irritation and sometimes outright anger from some posters, and the suggestion that people are using ND as an excuse somehow.

Aibu to not understand where this annoyance comes from?

That's not what the poster was saying she was saying the person whose disabilities mean the make loud involuntary noises Haa the right not to be excluded as it's discrimination

I have a severely autistic non verbal teen who makes loud involuntarily noises it's highly unlikely i would take him to event like this anyway but he does have the right to attend
As do you ,it's not a simple solution

A lot of people simply don’t believe neurodivergence is a thing. They should come to my house for a weekend…

Also a designated quiet zone wouldn't necessarily stop someone who makes involuntary noise attending as again they can't help the noise as it's part of their disability so couldn't be excluded on those grounds.

But you wouldn’t seat someone who makes involuntary noise in the quiet zone, your seat the person who can’t cope with involuntary noise in the quiet zone.

But not allowing them to sit there if they choose to or if their carer chooses to is direct discrimination because of their disability. You've made the decision that they can't access that area and must sit elsewhere because of their disability. They have the same rights to be there as anyone else. If they choose that is another question.

You would seat them where best suits them aa I said it's highly unlikely i would take my son anyway ,but if I did although he's the noisiest person I know ironically he can't cope with other people,s involuntary noise 🤷‍♀️

This, in spades!

For your point to make any sense, it would have to be the case that the only noise you have a problem with is that which is made involuntarily by disabled people.

Id be embarrassed to admit that if it was me.

I struggle hugely with people's noises, involuntarily or otherwise. Id be less affected by an involuntary noise from a disabled person than i would be by someone's sweet packet rustling, or someone coughing or sniffing, because the disabled person can't help it. Shall i regard all other people who are making noises, eating, drinking, sniffing, laughing as preventing me from attending?

I've been discussing it with a friend who deals with discrimation law and she said the venue would need to show that it meets a proportionate means to a legitimate aim but how they'd do this is another matter as many people with autism don't like noise but those same people may make noise or stim or use repetitive language so it would be hard for the venue to not allow access to those people and so venues would be unlikely to persue it as it would leave them open to claims of discrimination.

Also it is different to say relaxed performances or performances with sign language etc as these performances don't exclude but include.

I also wouldn't likely take my ds to a quiet area if there was one but I will always back his right to be treated the same as everyone else and if he wanted to sit there I'd support him in that. Like X2boys has said my ds also doesn't like noise but he is extremely good at making it at times.

I wouldn't know how to feel other than neutral, they have every right to be there and I wish their companions / caregivers well