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To think this mother should be ashamed of herself

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2boyzNosleep · 11/12/2024 19:57

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly2zq1yl0ko

17yr old girl & 18 yr old boy hook up on holiday in Dubai. I believe they may have met over there. The girls mother finds messages on the girls phone when they return to the UK. The mother reports the guy to Dubai police. He gets arrested as sex with anyone under 18yrs is illegal in Dubai. He has now been sentenced to 1 year in prison.

I haven't looked into it much, as far as I can tell it was consensual, a charity called Detained in Dubai have been trying to help (legally I think).

Am I alone in thinking how bloody spiteful the mother is?!? The girl is 17 years old and I think in another report saw that she turned 18 shortly after returning.

Marcus Fakana in school uniform

Marcus Fakana: Briton, 18, sentenced over Dubai sex with girl, 17

Marcus Fakana has been sentenced for a year over the relationship, a campaign group in Dubai says.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly2zq1yl0ko

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SavingTheBestTillLast · 11/12/2024 21:52

Feelingathomenow · 11/12/2024 21:50

I’m a NT member too, but there’s a certain breed of NT member who like to join in the NT with self flagation and rampant horror at historical slavery yet seem to have no problem with supporting modern day slavery

I can’t see them at the all you can eat on a beach in Dubai though.

oakleaffy · 11/12/2024 21:52

Feelingathomenow · 11/12/2024 21:46

Ah so being able to have slaves is a reason to move there. The UEA has the 7th highest prevalence of modern day slavery https://www.walkfree.org/global-slavery-index/findings/global-findings/

I bet so many of the National trust supporting MC go to Dubai. They spend hours wandering round National Trust properties tutting at slavery that occurred 100s of years ago then pour money into the coffers of modern day slave traders

You are deluded. NT members generally detest places like Dubai which is tacky in the extreme, and devoid of all history.

MumWifeOther · 11/12/2024 21:52

Ger1atricMillennial · 11/12/2024 21:41

If you are a "mother of a black boy" I highly doubt you know everything your child gets up to for most of the day. Be careful of assuming virtue by judging others on their worst day.

But you bought up an interesting side point about racism in having to be more aware of personal interactions than prehaps the majority race, because they will be judged more harshly even by people who are in the same situation to you.

Edited

I would teach him better than to do what Marcus did….

schoolmum11 · 11/12/2024 21:52

@MerryChristmasYaFilthyBrusselSprout thank you. Found it. I really hope the awful mother doesn't now try to convince her daughter to pretend it wasn't fully consensual so that she doesn't come across as the horrible person she is. That would be horrendous

SuperfluousHen · 11/12/2024 21:52

MrsSunshine2b · 11/12/2024 21:49

"Sexual crimes" in Dubai include sex outside of marriage so technically the daughter should be locked up too.

No, that’s a common misconception.
The girl hasn’t broken any law. Please do not defame her by saying she has, especially as her picture is on twitter according to other posters.

*edited for clarity

StrikeForever · 11/12/2024 21:53

snowmichael · 11/12/2024 20:38

The girl didn't have sex with someone under age
Why would she go to prison?

Again, they were both 17. The legal age for sex in Dubai is 18. So yes she did!

SavingTheBestTillLast · 11/12/2024 21:53

oakleaffy · 11/12/2024 21:52

You are deluded. NT members generally detest places like Dubai which is tacky in the extreme, and devoid of all history.

Thankyou @oakleaffy its a completely different mindset

SavingTheBestTillLast · 11/12/2024 21:54

StrikeForever · 11/12/2024 21:53

Again, they were both 17. The legal age for sex in Dubai is 18. So yes she did!

I think you’ve missed the crucial bit
He was 18 !

Pink39tree · 11/12/2024 21:54

schoolmum11 · 11/12/2024 21:52

@MerryChristmasYaFilthyBrusselSprout thank you. Found it. I really hope the awful mother doesn't now try to convince her daughter to pretend it wasn't fully consensual so that she doesn't come across as the horrible person she is. That would be horrendous

Being familiar with this culture, sadly this would have definitely been a conversation that would have been had.

oakleaffy · 11/12/2024 21:54

SavingTheBestTillLast · 11/12/2024 21:53

Thankyou @oakleaffy its a completely different mindset

Calke Abbey - Now there's a great place!

Hot sand and hideous tower blocks?...The antithesis of 99.99 % of NT members.

ThatRareUmberJoker · 11/12/2024 21:54

SavingTheBestTillLast · 11/12/2024 21:51

She’s still under age though. So considered a minor and victim

That depends on how they see it especially if they are both telling the authorities it was consensual. I wouldn't be so confident.

SuperfluousHen · 11/12/2024 21:56

StrikeForever · 11/12/2024 21:53

Again, they were both 17. The legal age for sex in Dubai is 18. So yes she did!

This makes no sense.

StrikeForever · 11/12/2024 21:56

snowmichael · 11/12/2024 20:44

No he wasn't
That's why he's being prosecuted
He was 18, she was 17
That's illegal in Dubai
And yes, two horny teenagers wouldn't bother what the law says, but this is the result
Maybe if more people become aware of the consequences of breaking the law in countries with stricter, and frequently reprehensible, legal codes they would be more careful where they go on holiday

Yes they were both 17 at the time. How often do kids check whether or not the age of consent is different in the country they are visiting, to that of their own 🙄

MumWifeOther · 11/12/2024 21:57

Feelingathomenow · 11/12/2024 21:47

How did his parents know they were racist?

Stop it!! I’m guessing you’re white? His parents would have known that girl had racist parents who would frown upon their 17 year old daughter engaging in casual
sex with a black boy. And if they didn’t, and they have been living under a rock, they need to wake the f*ck and do better to protect their young black sons!

StrikeForever · 11/12/2024 21:58

SavingTheBestTillLast · 11/12/2024 21:54

I think you’ve missed the crucial bit
He was 18 !

He was 18 when arrested

ARingtoit · 11/12/2024 21:58

The prejudice coming off these comments. Disgusting.

ThatRareUmberJoker · 11/12/2024 21:59

SavingTheBestTillLast · 11/12/2024 21:54

I think you’ve missed the crucial bit
He was 18 !

I guess the only saving grace is her mother told them when she got home. They would have questioned her daughter. Why did they falsely give evidence saying he was 19 and from Pakistan. If he's 18 then the law is the law why make it up. My guess is he would have been let go.

ElleWoods15 · 11/12/2024 21:59

StrikeForever · 11/12/2024 21:56

Yes they were both 17 at the time. How often do kids check whether or not the age of consent is different in the country they are visiting, to that of their own 🙄

Nope. Reports are he was 18 while she was 17.

And no, horny teenagers probably don’t check that kind of thing. But as a parent, if you’re taking a horny teenagers on holiday, would you not have a chat with them in advance? The information about what is legal and what isn’t is available on gov.uk.

Feelingathomenow · 11/12/2024 21:59

MumWifeOther · 11/12/2024 21:57

Stop it!! I’m guessing you’re white? His parents would have known that girl had racist parents who would frown upon their 17 year old daughter engaging in casual
sex with a black boy. And if they didn’t, and they have been living under a rock, they need to wake the f*ck and do better to protect their young black sons!

WTAF. Why would they have known the parents were racist? Are you saying every interracial relationship involves a set of racist parents?

SavingTheBestTillLast · 11/12/2024 21:59

StrikeForever · 11/12/2024 21:56

Yes they were both 17 at the time. How often do kids check whether or not the age of consent is different in the country they are visiting, to that of their own 🙄

No he was 18
Why do people keep getting this wrong

Ger1atricMillennial · 11/12/2024 22:00

MumWifeOther · 11/12/2024 21:52

I would teach him better than to do what Marcus did….

  1. Doesn't mean he would follow your teaching... horse to water an all that.
  2. Teenagers frequently rebel agains their parents teaching.
  3. He did all the due dillegence that teenagers would do... she was in the same year as him at school.

We don't know what Marcus' parents taught him, but they have now had to return to the UK leaving their son in jail. You would have to be incredibly cold hearted and unrealistic to think that they were in any way responsibile for this.

SavingTheBestTillLast · 11/12/2024 22:00

ThatRareUmberJoker · 11/12/2024 21:59

I guess the only saving grace is her mother told them when she got home. They would have questioned her daughter. Why did they falsely give evidence saying he was 19 and from Pakistan. If he's 18 then the law is the law why make it up. My guess is he would have been let go.

Apparently to get a bigger sentence put on him.
but I have no idea why.

Feelingathomenow · 11/12/2024 22:03

SavingTheBestTillLast · 11/12/2024 21:53

Thankyou @oakleaffy its a completely different mindset

Oh come on, we all know the NT membership includes large amounts of “yummy mummies” wanting to meet up with their friends at the local NT property with their toddlers for a picnic as it’s more “cultured” than the local park.

Eyerollexpert · 11/12/2024 22:03

I am always shocked that ppl visit Dubai. Their human rights record is terrible. You could not pay me enough to go. Ppl say to me it's not like you read, you can X, Y and Z. Until you can't in my opinion then you have a massive problem. Their country Their rules.

ChangeyerNameyer · 11/12/2024 22:04

Could you imagine the outage there would be if people from the US carried guns in the UK because it’s legal back home? Or 16 year olds from the Isle of Man drove on English motorways? Or is 14 year olds from Mali were getting drunk in London because they can in their country? If you do to another country you should respect their laws, even if you don’t like them and it’s different at home. And they went to Dubai. It’s not exactly known as a bastion of liberality, open mindedness and sexual freedom. Hopefully people who hear about this case will think twice about going on holiday to Dubai (or any other country they don’t want to respect the laws of).