To think that if a man has had bottom surgery they should be put in a woman’s prison?

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Genuinely interested in this and not trying to goad just want to understand.

When people talk of the threat of a man in women’s spaces, I assume the danger is because of their penis.

So if that’s gone then should they be categorised as a woman?

I’m kind of of the opinion that if you’re willing to put that much effort in (as in penis removal) regardless of your chromosomes, I’m happy for you to be called a woman…is this wrong?

Following on from this.

It is also logical that this particular study followed male people who were treated for gender dysphoria. Therefore, considering the current situation in the UK does not require any treatment for gender dysphoria, why would any person believe that the figures would be different to the general male population?

There seems to be many attempts to dismiss two facts that I don't believe can be dismissed as false and that is:

There is no evidence that a male person in the UK at any stage of transition has a lower risk of committing sex related crime than another other male person in the UK.

Plus, there is no evidence that a male person in the UK at any stage of transition has the same or lower risk of committing sex related crime than another female person in the UK.

And both of these facts need to be considered to evaluate the safeguarding needs of all female people.

And there was no 'correction' of the study on yet another search, so all we can use to evaluate the findings is the study and the supplementary information that the author provided which can only be considered as back information as to why there was a decrease. Because without controlling the data, which they could not do, the author could not write a valid conclusion that transitioning lowered the risk of committing crime as per the male pattern . Or in other words, they could not draw a conclusion based on like for like evidence that transitioned male people committed less sex and violence relatied crime than the general male population.

Happy to be shown where my analysis of the study is flawed if someone wants to post something about it.

Because I cannot find any correction to the study published, therefore there is not 'correction' to the study.

It's really as simple as that. Dhehjne is not the only person who worked on it, she is the lead researcher. If she thinks it should say something different about propensity to violent crime, she'd better withdraw it and peer review and publish it again. Having to read the "clarification" on an obscure TRA blog or a Reddit thread, isn't very satisfactory, even if it disproved what women have said about it, which it does not.

It’s almost as if these issues are complex and contested isn’t it.

This

It’s almost as if these issues are complex and contested isn’t it.

If by that you mean genderism is incoherent and confusing, yes I guess it is. Not that "complex" for me though, because I just don't believe males are a type of woman, and I've never seen a convincing argument to the contrary 🤷‍♀️

I agree. Because without an official correction and the retraction of the original, we have to assume that the original is the document we work with.

What is this word “genderism” that you and your merry band have invented 😂

It's not that hard to understand

It's a pretty well known term. What about it confuses you?

It's the 'get out of jail free card' or to be more precise 'put male rapists into women's prison (or anywhere else they want to go) card'.

No one knows what it is, other than undefinable feelings. But we all must accommodate it, especially women, no matter that it harms us.

NO THANK YOU

How weird.

Pretty well known Where? At we-are-angry-about-trans-people HQ 😆?
So far the only definition I’ve been offered is decidedly unhinged..

Yes it is weird. We will look back at these times and think how on earth was that allowed to happen? It's so obviously harmful to women and children and it's no different from any other form of appropriation. We don't tolerate black face for a reason, despite the fact that there are much more logical arguments for race being on a spectrum than sex.

You could.try googling and find out?

And who is angry about trans people?

I’m afraid trans people were here in the past and they will be here in the future. So all we will look back on in horror is the hatred and phobia- the same way we do with all types of historical discrimination.

And who is angry about trans people
🤣🤣

Well done for yourself illustrating what "genderist" means @Lostcat - you got there eventually!

You don't know?

what the knowledge that trans people exist (as they have in the past) , the (evidence based) conviction they will exist in the future, and the belief that it’s not ok to hate them just cos they are trans?

I don't hate trans people.

I just think sex is more important than gender when it comes to spaces where women need single sex spaces for safety and dignity and fairness.

I don't think the personalities of male people or gender feelings or whatever essence this group of male people claim to have gives them right to appropriate women's single sex spaces.

And I don't think children should be given puberty blockers & put on other medical pathways. I think it is hateful that children have been told that harming themselves is the answer to gender distress, especially given that these children tend to be gay or autistic or otherwise vulnerable.

There is no hate here. Only from the males who are pissed off with women who say NO to their unreasonable demands.

Until very recently, in the history of human beings, no one could take cross sex hormones or have surgery to modify the body. We don't know what people did before that, as we don't know the whole history of the world. Maybe some blokes wore stereotypical female clothing and a bit of lippy. Maybe they didn't because the consequences were too great. Women who cross dressed often did so in order to enter a certain profession, as pretending to be a man was the only way to do so. There were women who joined the army by pretending to be men, in order to be with their loved ones.
So we can't say what any person was thinking in the dim and distant past, because many left no writings about their reasons for cross dressing. And many who are transvestites don't want to become women. They just want to wear female clothes.
We know nothing about it, for sure.

All of this is so transphobic

You should do some research on trans people in history , you’d learn a lot

It is very lazy reasoning isn't it, thrown in with a catastrophising falsehood that is presumably added in such a way to mischaracterise the position of posters on the thread to attempt to portray legitimate and valid concerns as being driven by hate.

Nope, it’s simply calling transphobia transphobia. Which is what it is.