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AIBU to be having nightmares over friends visit?

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Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 21:43

Having nightmares over old friends visit.

One of my closest friends is coming to visit over Christmas, after 10 years living abroad with only ocassional visits I should be excited but I’m actually terrified.

I was best mates with “Jane” since we were kids, we lived together during college and were absolutely inseparable. We really, really loved each other for years and went through a lot together. She is also good friends with my DH and my DD loves her.

During her time abroad she has met a lovely man, had a beautiful son (age 2) and started her own business.

She’s always suffered badly with depression and anxiety and her mental health has been fragile. Although in her new country she found some excellent therapists who really helped her. However lately she seems to be spiralling .

It started during Covid, I think she got very deep into social media. She’s always been very politically active and since she had her son the plight of children in Gaza has been a huge focus for her.

She’s always been very vehemently anti Israel since I’ve known her (We’re Irish and that’s very normal here).

She began to post pro-Hamas stuff just after the 7/11 attacks on Israel and immediately shared Hamas videos of the attacks ( the murder of Israelis and desecration of corpses etc.) With added commentary “This is beautiful to me.” “This is how freedom is gained.” Etc. A lot of Irish people are still quite pro-IRA and once again the support of Hamas isn’t that unusual but actually sharing the videos was extreme.

She then started posting videos of dead Gazan children pretty much continuously. Due to the time difference I can see most of her posting is done at night. I think she posts while feeding her son. Videos accompanied by “This is me.” “This is my son.” “I am Palestine.” kind of stuff. She said in one post that her ability to care for her son has been affected by the secondary trauma of what happening in Gaza.

Then recently she began to go from “Death to Israel” to “Death to the Jews.” She posted in Arabic and I translated it. It was an insta story and then disappeared. And since then she’s pretty much transitioned from anti-Israel to Anti-western and fairly drastic Antisemetic stuff “They didn’t gas enough of you” that kind of thing.

Then she went on to say recently that anyone who doesn’t agree with her should kill themselves or be killed and burn in hell etc…

Now here’s the thing: I’m Jewish, non practicing, I have relatives in Israel and lost a friend to the Hamas attacks. I’m disgusted by the Israeli government at the moment and have a lot of sympathy for the Gazan people but I don’t hate the Israeli people either. I am actually quite middle of the road politically.

Being Irish, Jewishness is is not something I have ever advertised and I’m actually not sure I’ve I ever told her. If she’s aware and doesn’t care or has forgotten and doesn’t mind me seeing her posts.

My mistake is that I never responded to any of her posts and never argued with her. She seems to think we’re totally cool. So she contacted me wanting to see me over Christmas for a day or 2.

I’ve been having nightmares about it. I’m scared I’ll say something or do something that upsets her and she freaks out, or something I do or don’t say triggers her mental heath problems and she hurts herself. I also feel bad that my dishonesty caused this situation. If I has said something last year she would probably have ditched me and never wanted to see me again.

I would like some advice on how to proceed.

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Lemonyfuckit · 10/12/2024 23:32

DancingOctopus · 10/12/2024 22:06

I am normally quite relaxed about having friends who have differing political opinions but I am afraid if someone was to say " They didn't gas enough Jews" that would be the end of the friendship fid me. I am not Jewish.

Completely this.

Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 23:33

EmraldSky · 10/12/2024 23:03

i would advise against telling/reminding her that you are Jewish. her extreme views are scary

This is my feeling on it. This level of hatred is different from any other mental health episode she's had before.

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MollyRover · 10/12/2024 23:33

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This was my first thought too

Lucy25 · 10/12/2024 23:35

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Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 23:35

AnxiousRose · 10/12/2024 23:12

I can say I am Irish and I do not know them. What you have described I have never experienced. Also in my 40s.

Where are you from if you don't mind me asking?

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AnxiousRose · 10/12/2024 23:36

Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 23:35

Where are you from if you don't mind me asking?

I grew up in rural Ireland

TriesNotToBeCynical · 10/12/2024 23:38

Maurepas · 10/12/2024 23:22

hope you have some Jewish and nonJewish friends to support you regarding this matter. In Germany one would go to jail for those remarks.

And in Britain.

Claireabella111 · 10/12/2024 23:38

StopStartStop · 10/12/2024 21:49

my dishonesty caused this situation
No. Her racism caused this situation.

^^ this - nothing to do with dishonesty

Lucy25 · 10/12/2024 23:39

AnxiousRose · 10/12/2024 23:36

I grew up in rural Ireland

I grew up in the UK, l’m not Irish, does that change things @Allinarow48

WishinAndHopin · 10/12/2024 23:40

ForkHandlesNotFourCandles · 10/12/2024 23:22

The vast majority of Irish are pro Palestinian as they share a similar history of invasion and loss of rights by another. They always have been. So Yes, Most Irish people support the Palestinians and are against Israel.

In your situation OP I’d just shut down conversation about anything you find uncomfortable.
Perhaps arrange an activity to divert the conversation, if possible.

Projecting Irish history onto Palestine is ignorant and foolish in the extreme. They are not remotely similar.

Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 23:40

AnxiousRose · 10/12/2024 23:20

All the Irish people on this thread have disagreed with you.

I should have known mentioning the fucking IRA would trigger everyone. I shouldn't have mentioned it. It's still true through.

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AnxiousRose · 10/12/2024 23:41

It is simply untrue that many Irish people support the IRA.

AnxiousRose · 10/12/2024 23:43

WishinAndHopin · 10/12/2024 23:40

Projecting Irish history onto Palestine is ignorant and foolish in the extreme. They are not remotely similar.

Not nice

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Daradarina · 10/12/2024 23:44

Don’t see her OP, why would you?

Really upset about your pro-IRA and pro Hamas comments. I’m in rural Cork so not a million miles away and nothing could be further from the truth where I am. I’m older than you and the type of upbringing you describe is alien to me. Supporting the provisional IRA’s violence was seen as taboo when I was growing up among anyone we knew. What they did was shameful. They blew up children! How could anyone in good conscience support them? Loyalist terrorists equally abhorrent obviously.

Old IRA from the War of Independence were always thought of differently here. Medals, pensions, military honours at funerals.

Anyway. Very shaken and disappointed in North Kerry tbh.

Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 23:45

BarbaraHoward · 10/12/2024 23:22

That is not what she means.

That is basically what I mean. I phrased it badly beacause I'm upset. I was in tears writing that post. A lot of Irish people really love getting offended too.

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Thatcastlethere · 10/12/2024 23:46

It IS a mental health issue.
I had a friend of 20 years who I lost recently who was the same. Absolutely obsessed. Posting pics of dead kids every day online and berating everyone. Thing is she was preaching to the converted but it's still not enough for her.. if you aren't shouting on a street corner or you dare to post anything online which isn't about gaza then you are the enemy.
She has been diagnosed with bpd. But she rejected that and has not engaged with help.
It came to a head because I have friends living in Israel (who are left wing and certainly do not agree with the government but we're born there etc) and she commented on how I have to cut ties with them now... I usually stay silent but in this instance I voiced my opinion that they were my friends and that was their home and I felt sorry for them...
Well the torrents of abuse I received were off the scale.. it was relentless. I hate Muslims apparently and I'm a disgusting racist and I should die and I'm a secret jew etc etc etc
I had to block her I'm the end and I no longer associate with her.
20 years of friendship gone.
She will complain of being suicidally depressed but yet treats people around her like this
Pushing everyone away from her if they don't completely back whatever world view she's fixated on.
I totally understand. It's so hard.
Some people are their own worst enemies.

AnxiousRose · 10/12/2024 23:47

Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 23:45

That is basically what I mean. I phrased it badly beacause I'm upset. I was in tears writing that post. A lot of Irish people really love getting offended too.

Well you have upset a lot of Irish people and continue to antagonise.

Lucy25 · 10/12/2024 23:47

Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 23:40

I should have known mentioning the fucking IRA would trigger everyone. I shouldn't have mentioned it. It's still true through.

That comment really helps!!
Anyway not going to give this thread anymore legs, your views are way off, this was supposed to be about your ‘friend’ her extreme beliefs, so ironic.

TriesNotToBeCynical · 10/12/2024 23:48

WishinAndHopin · 10/12/2024 23:40

Projecting Irish history onto Palestine is ignorant and foolish in the extreme. They are not remotely similar.

The Black and Tans and the IDF: compare and contrast.

AelinAG · 10/12/2024 23:50

Noodlehen · 10/12/2024 23:30

I don’t have much to contribute to your thread OP, but just wanted to echo that this is my experience of Ireland too, as an Irish person. Not in north Kerry. my Irish husband, from another part of Ireland would have also had the exact same experience.

This is very much the experience of my family too

Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 23:51

ForkHandlesNotFourCandles · 10/12/2024 23:30

Agree with you OP on this score
Im from Derry ( born in the 60s)
Family in Tipperary and
Westmeath as well.

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Did they play the SAM song at your discos too? I do have a huge amount of sympathy for anyone from The North who lived through that hell. It was easy to lionise the provos in Kerry where were werent in any danger of a car blowing up.

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lauraloulou1 · 10/12/2024 23:52

You seem incredibly empathetic OP and worrying about her mental state and what has caused this dissent into hate. I actually think Gaza has radicalised a lot of people in Ireland and young mothers especially - weirdly - i don't know why but I read something about breastfeeding making your more empathetic and therefore more impacted. I had a friend I was worried about and I steered her off the endless posting by trying to engage with her on all the things Arab countries and neighbouring countries were doing (ie feck all) and the leftie view that it's not up to "the West" to solve everything...engaging her intellectually helped move her away from dead baby horrors. Which are overwhelming. It sounds like she has PTSD? From social media war content? I don't think she will be the first..

It sounds like you want to keep the friendship so I would maybe risk being honest. As in: you sound quite racist and mad online instead of mad at what's happening. And I'm actually Jewish and the fact you don't know this maybe shows how prevalent anti Semitism is in Ireland and I'm living with that so please maybe get of Instagram and give me a call if you want to chat? Or find some to chat to? She sounds lonely.

Or cut her out. Like not your job to educate her and sad she has become radicalised but its a sad world and not much you can do about it but protect your own peace of mind. And your own wee family.

Either way I'd ignore the IRA trolling you getting here. British people have no idea about the troubles and it's never worth trying to explain. Go watch Derry girls troll posters! And maybe demand a better education system so colonialism, slavery and the great history of the British empire is taught better at schools! Or even vaguely mentioned!

Good luck xx

Thatcastlethere · 10/12/2024 23:53

And BTW I'm also Irish! And my DH is Jewish..
It's not the same of course but I understand why people make comparisons. The main comparison I would make is that it's a very difficult complicated situation that is causing generations of ordinary people alot of pain. And there are people on both 'sides' who want that. But mostly there's human beings living in fear. The whole situation is horrific.
Obviously I don't think the Israeli government have a right to act as they have done.. I think they've committed war crimes. I have more sympathy for hammas but when I say sympathy I do not mean I think they are right.. I think they have acted in a way that has ended up killing many innocent people both Palestinian and Israeli. But I do think that a group like that will rise up if a country is treated with as much aggression as Palestine has been.
I have no answers about any of it. It's horrific.
I do not think my friend or OPs friend posting pictures of dead babies online every day achieves anything though. Abd I do not think their black and white hero's and villains worldview is helpful either.
We get into these situations by dehumanising swathes of people for idealogical purposes. I do not think we get out of them by just doing that more.

DreamTheMoors · 10/12/2024 23:54

Hatred of any sort is off limits in my home.

Tell her. Tell her that the girl she’s known and loved for all these years is a Jew.
That’s all you have to say. A dozen words.
It isn’t your responsibility to protect her mental health - has she tried to protect anyone else’s?
Give her her own “come to Jesus” moment.

You do NOT want this vector of hate in your home or in your life.
Don’t you dare do it. Don’t you dare.