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To feel hurt by MIL's condescending comments

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MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 13:32

My husband comes from a much wealthier background than I do. His family takes five holidays a year, went to private schools, and bought each kid a large London property when they turned 25. I went to grammar school, had 1–2 holidays a year, and while my parents helped with a deposit, they didn’t buy me a house outright (and yes I am aware that this is actually quite a privileged position, I am by no means poor but just explaining the contrast).

DH works for the family business, which his mum technically owns but doesn’t really run anymore—she’s basically retired, travels a lot, and leaves it to DH and his siblings. His sisters help out part-time when it suits them (since they’re looking after young kids), but DH and his brother run it full-time.

He’s super careful about what he says to his mum—she’s “always right,” and he avoids any conflict with her. Apparently, that’s just how it’s always been. Part of me thinks it’s also because they’re all a bit financially dependent on her. If she ever cut them out of the will or the business, their lifestyle would take a big hit.

I work part-time and take care of our daughters, who are 4 and 1, and I’m pregnant with our son. Even if I worked full-time, what I’d earn wouldn’t compare to what DH makes or receives from his family. He covers all the main expenses, and my salary is just for personal things like clothes, dinners with friends, or trips to the hairdresser. At home, DH is lovely: he’s hands-on with the kids, helps with chores, and is super thoughtful when it’s just us.

The issue is his mum. She makes comments that aren’t directly rude but feel like digs. For example, she buys our daughters designer clothes and says things like, “Girls should always dress in expensive clothes—it sets the tone for their self-worth and taste,” while I’m standing there in my Zara jumper.

At a family gathering, when people joked about my daughter becoming a vet because she loves animals, MIL said, “That’s such a messy job. Do women even enjoy working? It’s just something you do for money. She’ll have everything she needs—no need to work, especially not a messy job.”

She can also be condescending. When she was talking about her travel plans, she mentioned going to a fancy restaurant with my SIL and added, “I suppose you’ve never been there?” When I said I had, she replied, “Oh, who took you there?”

DH doesn’t really address it, saying it’s just how she is, and bringing it up would cause a big falling out. He tells me to rise above it and not take it personally, but honestly, it’s hard not to when the comments feel so pointed.

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MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 16:41

Lemonadeand · 08/12/2024 16:03

I know for a fact MIL thinks I need to pay my way

This makes no sense. She doesn’t think women should work but also thinks you should pay your way?

Completely agree it makes no sense.

Kind of like - some poor women are forced to work (like me) but the ones who can afford to would choose not to work, but equally no one should free load off her son. Yep, makes no sense.

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Shinyandnew1 · 08/12/2024 16:47

MIL will pay for SIL's fancy restaurants and take her on shopping trips.

What if SIL wants to buy clothes/go out with friends when their mum isn’t there?

PancakeDreams · 08/12/2024 16:47

The more I see your updates OP, the more it seems like you are venting but also need to think long and hard about your role in this. You chose to have multiple children with this man over the years and live a comfortable and privileged life. You have had financial help from your family and his to live well. You attempt to put on a humble approach by saying you are wearing Zara jumper and saying how you have money to go to the hairdressers and other expenses just for you. This is not the plight of the everyday person.

You are getting caught up talking (babbling) about relationships that don’t concern you (whatever is between your SIL, her husband and MIL, is their business and not your fight - something about silent treatment and taxis).

Then leave. Make your own way into the world with help from no one. Fight for custody for your kids and find somewhere to live that isn’t funded by anyone else but you.

thepariscrimefiles · 08/12/2024 16:48

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 16:41

Completely agree it makes no sense.

Kind of like - some poor women are forced to work (like me) but the ones who can afford to would choose not to work, but equally no one should free load off her son. Yep, makes no sense.

Her treatment of you is so terrible, I would be worried about your children picking up on this. I can't quite believe that your husband doesn't get angry on your behalf.

You and the children flying in economy while your MIL and DH sit in business/first class is how the upper classes treat their nannys/au pairs. She treats you like a member of staff.

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 16:51

Shinyandnew1 · 08/12/2024 16:11

often I'll sit in economy whilst they're in business/first

Are you sitting with the children in economy? Is she happy about her grandchildren flying economy? Where are her daughters/daughter in laws/son in laws sitting when you go on family holidays?

Some of this doesn’t add up-she doesn’t think women should pay for things or work, but wants you to do so?

She thinks you should work to pay your way and your husband shouldn’t pay for things for you, but it was fine for her husband to start a business and pay for things for her?

Do her daughters or daughters in law work? Who pays for their clothes and days out? What about her daughter’s husbands?

Are you sitting with the children in economy? Is she happy about her grandchildren flying economy? Where are her daughters/daughter in laws/son in laws sitting when you go on family holidays?
Children are with them in business, I sort of ran back and forth to help the kids or they come to me if they want mummy (the plane crew are never happy about this whole arrangement).
BIL (so my SIL's husband, he has also married into the family) flies in economy with me when he does join, but often, especially when it's a short trip, he doesn't join.
The basic rule it seems is that if you are a blood relative you are in business class, otherwise economy.

Some of this doesn’t add up-she doesn’t think women should pay for things or work, but wants you to do so?
Yes it doesn't make sense. I shouldn't freeload off her son, all women inherently want to not work, some poor women (like me) must work. It makes zero sense!

She thinks you should work to pay your way and your husband shouldn’t pay for things for you, but it was fine for her husband to start a business and pay for things for her?
I guess she sees herself as part of his success because she was looking after his kids, but I've married into it (even though my husband is creating further success by running the business?). This again makes no sense.

Do her daughters or daughters in law work? Who pays for their clothes and days out? What about her daughter’s husbands?
Her daughters don't work, all their clothes are paid for, they have domestic help to make their lives easier. We don't have domestic help because "most women manage household chores" so I can too. She's very big on not spoiling people who married into the family, same with BIL (SIL's husband, not DH's brother).
DH's brother has a gf without kids, so she's not really taken on trips or anything, she works full time, from what I gather they go 50/50 except that she lives in his flat (unsure if she pays rent)

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pikkumyy77 · 08/12/2024 16:53

Yes: we get it. MIL is a bitch and she isn’t as clever as you. But she dominates you, not you her. So all the hand waving away “I like my zara clothes” etc.. doesn’t change the fact that she orders your dh to refuse to support you, cancel the cleaner, charge you for going on holiday, and treat you like s nanny.

As everyone has said you have a DH problem. You are acting like you “win” a prize marrying this pathetic man. In reality she won by letting baby boy have children with an easily cowed maidservant who can be fired at will.

Read the book “when he’s married to his mother” and read up on toxic/enmeshed families because you are in one.

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 16:54

LOpportunityCestFuckingEnorme · 08/12/2024 16:11

Do you have a relationship with the other people who have married into this shitshow? Your BIL sounds like he's experiencing the same ostracising that you have.

Personally it all sounds like it's going to go horribly wrong when the level of control MIl currently has becomes insufficient for her. When one of her DC gets divorced, or comes to their senses and pushes back, or the grandchildren grow up and point out how bonkers it is, or she gets ill or senile.

Yeah I get on with BIL (married into family, not DH's brother) but I get the vibe that he doesn't want to rock the boat as that would upset SIL. He's a man of few words, we've exchanged some looks at some family occasions when she's said weird things, but he wouldn't openly btch about MIL as SIL is close to her (or appears to be) and it would cause trouble in their marriage I imagine.

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Grmumpy · 08/12/2024 16:55

Wow don’t let you daughter pick up on this. I’d much rather have a daughter or son who was a vet than a big money earner. Your mil sounds nasty. Don’t let her undermine you. I’d be making lots of jokes at her expense but out of her hearing

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 16:56

Shinyandnew1 · 08/12/2024 16:19

I don't think she'd be chuffed if she knew that DH pays whenever we go out for dinner as a couple or he pays the vast majority of our family holidays

Did your mother in law pay 50/50 for dinners and family holidays when her husband was alive and her children were smaller?

I'm guessing "no" but it's not like anyone is going to reason with her about this now...

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Nina1013 · 08/12/2024 16:57

When you say he was gifted a house, does he actually own the house you live in or do you live in his mother’s house?

Also, you have a husband problem far more than a MIL problem if he’s willing to sit him and the kids in business and leave you in economy - and that’s aside from all the other stuff.

Shinyandnew1 · 08/12/2024 16:58

Children are with them in business, I sort of ran back and forth to help the kids or they come to me if they want mummy

I wouldn’t be running backwards and forwards at all. Let them sort the kids in business class. I’d be in economy with earplugs in and a very large gin and tonic.

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 16:58

Shinyandnew1 · 08/12/2024 16:27

@MumofMiniDivas did you answer, when you go on family holidays and your MIL and DH travel first class and you are in economy,

  1. where are your children?
  2. where are your husbands sisters?
  3. where are their children?
  4. where are their husbands?

The basic rule seems to be: blood relatives of MIL in business, everyone else (who married into the family) in economy

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MJMJMJMJ · 08/12/2024 16:59

Does your DH or your MIL own the house you live in?

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 16:59

MJMJMJMJ · 08/12/2024 16:27

The house and all assets are in MIL name or your DH’s?

Financial incest is abusive and harmful.

In DH it's the house, the car etc which is small in comparison to what is in MIL's name but is actually more than most people earn in a lifetime

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BetteDavisChin · 08/12/2024 17:00

@needsomewarmsunshine absolutely! What a woman 😆

headhonchoponcho · 08/12/2024 17:00

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 16:51

Are you sitting with the children in economy? Is she happy about her grandchildren flying economy? Where are her daughters/daughter in laws/son in laws sitting when you go on family holidays?
Children are with them in business, I sort of ran back and forth to help the kids or they come to me if they want mummy (the plane crew are never happy about this whole arrangement).
BIL (so my SIL's husband, he has also married into the family) flies in economy with me when he does join, but often, especially when it's a short trip, he doesn't join.
The basic rule it seems is that if you are a blood relative you are in business class, otherwise economy.

Some of this doesn’t add up-she doesn’t think women should pay for things or work, but wants you to do so?
Yes it doesn't make sense. I shouldn't freeload off her son, all women inherently want to not work, some poor women (like me) must work. It makes zero sense!

She thinks you should work to pay your way and your husband shouldn’t pay for things for you, but it was fine for her husband to start a business and pay for things for her?
I guess she sees herself as part of his success because she was looking after his kids, but I've married into it (even though my husband is creating further success by running the business?). This again makes no sense.

Do her daughters or daughters in law work? Who pays for their clothes and days out? What about her daughter’s husbands?
Her daughters don't work, all their clothes are paid for, they have domestic help to make their lives easier. We don't have domestic help because "most women manage household chores" so I can too. She's very big on not spoiling people who married into the family, same with BIL (SIL's husband, not DH's brother).
DH's brother has a gf without kids, so she's not really taken on trips or anything, she works full time, from what I gather they go 50/50 except that she lives in his flat (unsure if she pays rent)

We don't have domestic help because "most women manage household chores" so I can too.

How odd.

You are two university educated adults with your own income allowing your MIL to dictate how you spend your money.

NoSquirrels · 08/12/2024 17:01

I’m struggling to believe this is actually true - you voluntarily go on ‘holidays’ where your husband (and kids!) sit in business class and you have to buy your own economy ticket. Why do you go? Why does your husband agree?

MJMJMJMJ · 08/12/2024 17:01

At least that is something the house is in DH’s name so you are protected in that sense.

She is an abusive person even though she is financially generous to your DH.

No advice other than to treat her with silent contempt.

Shinyandnew1 · 08/12/2024 17:02

All this back story of financial bollocks and you start a post about ‘condescending comments’. They are the least of the problem!

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 17:06

headhonchoponcho · 08/12/2024 16:40

How have the responses on this thread made you feel about yourself? your DH? your MIL?

What options are open to you and what actions would you consider?

Honestly I don't know.

I feel it's hard to convey the situation for someone who isn't in it ie not family, hasn't met MIL.
DH wouldn't let go of the financial benefits because he's so used to them. I wouldn't mind if we did, I just don't want the toxicity and to be made to feel inferior around his MIL, I don't want the holidays as I don't enjoy them anyway... I've spoken to him a million times, will likely discuss again but each time he refuses to do anything. At home he is lovely to me, he is very much an equal partner, outside of work hours he will be either with the children or doing housework, he is respectful... (until MIL comes onto the scene). Outside of seeing his mum we have a lovely relationship so I'm not prepared to leave him, and no, it's not anything to do with money. Id happily send kids to grammar schools and dress them in Zara (😂)

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NoSquirrels · 08/12/2024 17:07

Shinyandnew1 · 08/12/2024 17:02

All this back story of financial bollocks and you start a post about ‘condescending comments’. They are the least of the problem!

I mean… yeah, right?

OP you chose this bullshit a long time ago, it seems. If your husband and you are willing to reap the ‘benefits’ of the family status quo then what advice could this thread possibly give to you about your toxic mother in law? You’ve already chosen to be a second-class citizen.

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 17:07

@thepariscrimefiles from comments MIL has made she clearly thinks it's a shared cost. In reality it's DH paying.

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MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 17:07

Shinyandnew1 · 08/12/2024 16:47

MIL will pay for SIL's fancy restaurants and take her on shopping trips.

What if SIL wants to buy clothes/go out with friends when their mum isn’t there?

She has a (very generous) allowance

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MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 17:09

MJMJMJMJ · 08/12/2024 16:59

Does your DH or your MIL own the house you live in?

DH

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Ilovelifeverymuch · 08/12/2024 17:10

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 17:06

Honestly I don't know.

I feel it's hard to convey the situation for someone who isn't in it ie not family, hasn't met MIL.
DH wouldn't let go of the financial benefits because he's so used to them. I wouldn't mind if we did, I just don't want the toxicity and to be made to feel inferior around his MIL, I don't want the holidays as I don't enjoy them anyway... I've spoken to him a million times, will likely discuss again but each time he refuses to do anything. At home he is lovely to me, he is very much an equal partner, outside of work hours he will be either with the children or doing housework, he is respectful... (until MIL comes onto the scene). Outside of seeing his mum we have a lovely relationship so I'm not prepared to leave him, and no, it's not anything to do with money. Id happily send kids to grammar schools and dress them in Zara (😂)

Then you can tell him you will not be pandering to MIL any kre but he's fine to and stay out of her way, refuse any holiday invitations etc. Either that or accept that you have to put up with her comments im exchange for your lifestyle.