Can I bring my partners Syrian mum and sisters to the UK?

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war has broken out, there village is surrounded. Is there any way I can bring them here to keep them safe? My partner is crying non stop. Can I sponsor them? The rules are so confusing.

@gloriagloria

I didn't know.

What I do know is though, your reply is offensive and assuming.

Claptrap, plenty of people have been campaigning against Assad but were ignored, just because you never read about it in the Mail, doesn't mean it didn't happen.... independent thought? lol!

But Cameron and Obama balked at punishing Assad for using chemical weapons, allowing him free reign and giving the Russians influence, hard to get voices heard when our own government gives tacit support to a mass murderer.

Aside, Asylum cases for Syrians have been halted across europe and the UK, rightly so, most here were fleeing Assad, he has gone.
100s of 1000s of Syrians in Lebanon and Turkey are returning, not sure why we would want supporters of Assad here, if they leave.

Its the Christian Syrians i feel for IF the new regime proves to be intolerant and with so many different factions vying for power, who knows what the future holds.

Our government, the US government will, in some way be implicated in every way around the world, either overtly or covertly. I’m sure there’s many people with Palestinian flags in their windows who have no idea that they’re being manipulated into being foot soldiers for anti semitism, but they are. Assad was widely welcomed across the West once.

if it’s about our government then why is everything framed about the deaths of women and children? Do they only matter when our Government has some kind of relationship with one party? Do these same people not support Israel more over the Oct 7 attacks because our Government has a relationship with Israel? Were they flooding their Facebooks with Israeli flags on Oct 8?

Aasad is gone, the media are celebrating a new Syria. Many Syrians are on the news delighted about the fall of Assad , many Syrians want to go home now to rebuild their country . This is a great event for the Syrians.

Ah the good old days “ you must read the Daily Mail” claptrap. Always a sign someone has nothing interesting to say😂

im sure some people were protesting against Assad. I’m sure. Another poster is adamant that there is such a large scale outcry against Israel because our govt supports Israel, yet here you are confirming that there has been support for Assad (I mentioned this before in my response to them). So why no equivalent outcry. It seems there is a very striking variable and it’s clearly not the Wests support for the leadership.

And helping Syrians get home so they can rebuild their country should become a priority so that it can be stabilised assp

@feelingitnow support for Palestine does not mean support for Hamas - it is incredibly insulting to assume they are "foot soldiers for anti-semitism" - people can use their critical faculties to abhor the actions of the Israeli government without being anti-Semitic, and it is this assumption that we cannot criticise Israel without our motives being questioned that stifles debate. Of course anti-Semitism exists and has grown since the current conflict. But there are many of us who see no peaceful future while either Netanyahu's government or Hamas are in power, and are disturbed by our goverment's willingness to keep supporting an increasing out-of-control regime. Yes, you are right that the UK is involved in pretty much every conflict, but not always on the side of an aggressive and repressive regime (post 2011 we did not support Assad, although I agree we came to the conclusion pretty late) and not always as overtly.

Word salad of nothingness.

As for Syrians going back to rebuild their country, that will depend on the attitude of the men with guns and the almost certain in fighting now between the 5 main armed groups.

You don't appear to understand the situation at all.

Ah I can see you aren’t short of the standard phrases to try and undermine what people are saying when you have no actual argument. . We have moved from “read it in the Daily Mail” to “Word Salad”.

Oh, I understand the situation, I understand that to get a company to a situation where it is safe to live It requires the population to exert its power. In order to do this they need to be there. This has happened in most of the Western world at various stages.

& how is that working out in HK, Myanmar, Iran and Afghanistan?

Or even in Syria when Assad used chemical weapons and Russia supported him, using bombs and artillery on unarmed civilians.

Yes mass up risings can happen in countries in days gone by, when the oppressor had a few muskets but not when they have modern weapons of war and use mass terror & misinformation to keep a population down, look at Putins Russia?

I couldn't understand your previous post, hence word salad, you ve done it again, using company instead of "country" maybe re read what you ve written?

Yes mass up risings can happen in countries in days gone by, when the oppressor had a few muskets but not when they have modern weapons of war and use mass terror & misinformation to keep a population down, look at Putins Russia

Your argument works against you.

If mass uprisings are a thing of the past then how did the current one against Assad succeed? He had modern weapons and the support of Putin.

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Well clearly you could understand it. As you have told me the post had company rather than country lol. Your general lack of comprehension skills are not my problem.

You really are going for the full house, though in empty comments trying to undermine a position that you can’t argue against. Tell you what “there going to have to go back their to they’re country”. Go on go for it, get that full house!!!

Mmm maybe the lads in the trenches were a bit overwhelmed by the tanks and machine gun fire at first.

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Oh stop being difficult and having a reasonable argument getting in the way of the narrative

Nope Russia hasn't the means to support Assad, due to Ukraine now and this wasn't a mass uprising, it was an armed force, comprised mostly of former Al Qaeda operatives.
There are at least another 4 armed groupings in Syria.

Israeli tanks now 20 miles from Damascus....

So mass uprising that was armed?

Yes, clearly, it can be done.

Also, Assad had more than a few rusty muskets.

Apparently the US and Israel have been busy weapons of al
descriptions in the last couple of days, so it was not lack of weapons that toppled Assad.

It wasn't a mass uprising, the people of Damascus Aleppo etc were "freed" (yet to be decided) by external forces and Russia could no longer defend Assad.

And who armed these rebels, where did they come from? what will they do next?

Like i said, mass uprisings rarely work, can it be done? yes but this isn't what has happened in Syria.

the IDFs involvement now could turn a bad situation to an even worse one.

When rebel groups overturn a government, it’s called an uprising.

HTH.

They aren't mutually exclusive. Syrians can claim asylum (asylum decisions have been paused, not applications) but anyone can claim asylum, it's just not everyone will be granted it. If someone is in the UK illegally and could claim asylum, he is still here illegally despite the possibility of claiming asylum, and even if he's very likely to be granted it.

@LondonLawyer yes that's true - to be honest I was just irritated by the assumption that Syrians would be "illegal" by the previous post, whereas in actual fact very few are and will be somewhere in the asylum process.

Why would you be irritated by that though?

Why the need for everyone out there to share your belief that no Syrian can possibly be doing anything illegal?

Approximately 3000 Syrians came across in boats in 2022 - would they be classed as illegals?

R053
I just googled the UK’s number of refugees it’s 231,500, so quite a bit less than 4 million so I wouldn’t say it’s a similar scale

UNHCR's 'nowcasting' estimates for the UK are 483,900 refugees or 606,100 refugees and asylum seekers combined. The estimates for Turkey are nearer 3 million than 4 million. The repatriation of Syrian refugees from Turkey to Syria is one of Erdogan's objectives.

https://www.unhcr.org/refugee-statistics/insights/explainers/nowcasting-refugees-asylum-seekers.html