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BA25 · 2024-12-07T19:53:40+00:00

war has broken out, there village is surrounded. Is there any way I can bring them here to keep them safe? My partner is crying non stop. Can I sponsor them? The rules are so confusing.

fashionqueen0123 · 08/12/2024 23:14

CheeseTime · 08/12/2024 04:22

Some real misunderstanding of immigration and visas on this thread. It’s not an online form where you satisfy some criteria and computer says yes. There’s a credibility test and there is no way any visa officer is going to grant a ‘visit’ visa to a Syrian joining someone in the UK at the moment.

To get on a plane to the UK you need passport and visa. Fines are levied on airlines when people manage to get on a flight with false documents.

The schemes to actively bring people over can’t be resurrected while the system is absolutely overwhelmed with the self selected. We can’t choose to protect women and children from war zones while we’re wading through the asylum applications of all the overstayers and boat people.

There is also zero chance of them being detained if they manage to get out and pay a trafficker to get them to the UK somehow. Detention space is saved for people who are a threat or might realistically be refused and removed.

All very very difficult for anyone with family they naturally want to protect. Unfortunately they are up against exhausted nations struggling with massive economic migration.

Exactly. There is no way a tourist/visa visit would be approved right now!

R053 · 09/12/2024 07:22

Livelovebehappy · 08/12/2024 20:25

But they've got more land than we have to build on potentially. We have not. And you do know that it's not about just letting a few in at this point. Open the door, even a little, will prompt potentially other Syrians wanting to come over here. They won't be able to even contribute to society here, with language barriers and lack of relevant skills (because let's be honest, we're talking probably about a large percentage of the refugees having very limited skills) We have enough of a drain on our NHS and housing without bringing more people here. Keir wouldn't even contemplate it. The feelings against immigration at the moment are so strong, that for him to do so would mean a further term in government after this one would not be on the cards for Labour.

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You are being deliberately obtuse.

You are well aware that countries like Lebanon and Turkey who are hosting millions of refugees don’t have the funds or capacity to just “build on land” for them. Turkey suffered a huge earthquake close to the Syrian border last year that devastated infrastructure and killed 50,000 people.

AliasGrace47 · 09/12/2024 12:10

Op, are you able to say roughly what area their village is? I understand totally if not. If you can, perhaps we could give more targeted advice.

Technonan · 09/12/2024 17:03

Notaflippinclue · 08/12/2024 23:13

According to The Telegraph 12/09/24 low skilled legal migrants cost tax payers £150,000 each.
According to Migration Watch each illegal migrant costs £400,000 over their lifetime, in 2022 illegal migrants cost 1.3 billion so all this we need migrants they are good for our country is absolute gobbledygook

Neither of these is a reliable source. The Telegraph is a politically biased newspaper (well, they all are, tbf) and Migrant Watch was established to cut down on the number of immigrants.

We depend on migrant workers to keep many of our essential services going, and the fees from overseas students help massively in funding our higher education system. This isn't an argument for uncontrolled migration, but this constant 'stop migration' push is keeping out essential workers (and these include the lower paid agricultural workers) and is financially crippling our universities.

StandingSideBySide · 09/12/2024 17:05

Technonan · 09/12/2024 17:03

Neither of these is a reliable source. The Telegraph is a politically biased newspaper (well, they all are, tbf) and Migrant Watch was established to cut down on the number of immigrants.

We depend on migrant workers to keep many of our essential services going, and the fees from overseas students help massively in funding our higher education system. This isn't an argument for uncontrolled migration, but this constant 'stop migration' push is keeping out essential workers (and these include the lower paid agricultural workers) and is financially crippling our universities.

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@Notaflippinclue wasn’t talking about students coming here for University.
They aren’t being stopped.

Wellingtonspie · 09/12/2024 17:51

I doubt you’ll be able to papers today are mentioning many countries now going to be stopping Syrians claiming asylum and to start removing them due to recent events.

Uk just announced pausing decisions of asylum claims. I doubt any Syrians will be entering unless they have a visa.

Binglebong · 09/12/2024 18:13

Have you heard if they are OK OP?

Notaflippinclue · 09/12/2024 20:30

House of Commons economic impact assessment 27.6.23 - cost of accommodating illegals will be 11 billion by 2026
Low paid migrants are an immediate drain on the public purse costing tax payers £150,000 each by retirement age according to the Government tax and spending watchdog.
So when these low paid migrants need care what do we do? Oh I know!

CatherinedeBourgh · 09/12/2024 21:01

Notaflippinclue · 09/12/2024 20:30

House of Commons economic impact assessment 27.6.23 - cost of accommodating illegals will be 11 billion by 2026
Low paid migrants are an immediate drain on the public purse costing tax payers £150,000 each by retirement age according to the Government tax and spending watchdog.
So when these low paid migrants need care what do we do? Oh I know!

They can be subsidised by all the high paid migrants we also take in?

I very much doubt that in net terms the UK economy is worse off due to its migrants.

Perhaps we should also get rid of all the low paid Brits as well? After all, they are also costing tax payers...

Wellingtonspie · 09/12/2024 21:04

CatherinedeBourgh · 09/12/2024 21:01

They can be subsidised by all the high paid migrants we also take in?

I very much doubt that in net terms the UK economy is worse off due to its migrants.

Perhaps we should also get rid of all the low paid Brits as well? After all, they are also costing tax payers...

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Kind of hard to get rid of born in citizens. It’s a choice to take in low paid workers from other counties though.

CatherinedeBourgh · 09/12/2024 21:15

Wellingtonspie · 09/12/2024 21:04

Kind of hard to get rid of born in citizens. It’s a choice to take in low paid workers from other counties though.

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Many of the low paid workers who come here will work their socks off and become high paid workers in time, if given the opportunity.

Immigrants are what made the US the leading country in the world.

Wellingtonspie · 09/12/2024 21:21

CatherinedeBourgh · 09/12/2024 21:15

Many of the low paid workers who come here will work their socks off and become high paid workers in time, if given the opportunity.

Immigrants are what made the US the leading country in the world.

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I don’t think many careers will become high paid workers despite the worth of the job nor will the many filling our warehouses moving pallets, or the ones working in the car wash or the nail bars, nor will the Uber eats drivers.

Let’s not pretend more are high earners than are. Many are low paid and that’s fine in that we need low paid workers as otherwise you couldn’t have high paid workers. But we don’t need to import loads of low paid workers and pretend they are all doctors and lawyers.

Feelingathomenow · 09/12/2024 21:34

It’s unlikely they will be allowed into the UK, a lot of the continent of Europe are halting decisions of asylum claims by Syrians. Can they get into a close safe country? Eg Turkey?

Feelingathomenow · 09/12/2024 21:36

CatherinedeBourgh · 09/12/2024 21:15

Many of the low paid workers who come here will work their socks off and become high paid workers in time, if given the opportunity.

Immigrants are what made the US the leading country in the world.

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I wouldn’t be holding out America as an example of social integration of immigrants.

Severina559 · 09/12/2024 21:52

BA25 · 08/12/2024 18:19

Thanks so much for all the replies, just reading through now. They are Christian Syrians and we’re not married. It’s just so frightening for them.

As everything is so unstable, it will be very frightening but at least there are moves for a peaceful transition. Please DO contact the Syrian Orthodox church in this country as they have formal and informal networks that can help with reports on them, getting money etc to them.

St. Thomas Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church London – "The good shepherd gives his life for the sheep…" (John 10:11)

also SCAN UK

I truly hope there is a peace that can hold there now and that people can rebuild their lives. Best of luck!

St. Thomas Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church London – "The good shepherd gives his life for the sheep…" (John 10:11)

https://www.stthomasjsoclondon.org/jsocldn/

LiquoriceIcecream · 10/12/2024 00:22

Technonan · 08/12/2024 09:59

The rebels are Islamists and though they have apparently repudiated Al Qaida, there may well be some ISIS fighters there. Erdogan seems to be supporting and possibly funding this. Civilians will get hurt and killed even if this isn't the specific intention of the rebels. It's a war zone.

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If this plays out the way it very possibly will, I hope we will be seeing vast numbers out across the towns of the UK protesting about the terrorism being unleashed on Syrian civilians. Strange we didn't see huge protests in all our towns and cities during the monstrous and brutal Assad regime whichi ncludied chemical warfare.
I sincerely hope the good Syrian people - including the minorities - have peace to live, and practise their religions whatever they may be, without fear or repression.

Feelingathomenow · 10/12/2024 06:40

LiquoriceIcecream · 10/12/2024 00:22

If this plays out the way it very possibly will, I hope we will be seeing vast numbers out across the towns of the UK protesting about the terrorism being unleashed on Syrian civilians. Strange we didn't see huge protests in all our towns and cities during the monstrous and brutal Assad regime whichi ncludied chemical warfare.
I sincerely hope the good Syrian people - including the minorities - have peace to live, and practise their religions whatever they may be, without fear or repression.

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Yes, I’ve noticed a distinct lack of Syrian flags being flown by the blue haired nose ring brigade over the Assad regime in recent years.

gloriagloria · 10/12/2024 07:15

Feelingathomenow · 10/12/2024 06:40

Yes, I’ve noticed a distinct lack of Syrian flags being flown by the blue haired nose ring brigade over the Assad regime in recent years.

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This will be because our own Government was not supporting the Assad regime either politically or militarily and he was not supposedly our trusted ally.

Swivelhead · 10/12/2024 07:22

Someone said this was a conspiracy theory uptrend about Trump withdrawing funding for the CIA to meddle in Syria ie their direct funding of Islamist militants there? It was Obama's pet programme to overthrow Assad, and Trump was against it last term. Our pathetic media even managed to report on it in 2017.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/19/donald-trump-drops-syria-programme-in-bid-to-improve-russia-ties

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/world/middleeast/cia-syria-rebel-arm-train-trump.html

Note our media suddenly being flooded with stories now of the evils of Assad. Because the US war machine must always be right. How stupid are people?

Donald Trump drops CIA programme in Syria 'in bid to improve Russia ties'

President suspends largely unsuccessful initiative aimed at equipping and training moderate rebels to fight Bashar al-Assad

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/19/donald-trump-drops-syria-programme-in-bid-to-improve-russia-ties

WhoDatDen · 10/12/2024 07:39

CatherinedeBourgh · 09/12/2024 21:15

Many of the low paid workers who come here will work their socks off and become high paid workers in time, if given the opportunity.

Immigrants are what made the US the leading country in the world.

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Have you been to the USA? I would not hold their cities as an example for Britain to follow.

Feelingathomenow · 10/12/2024 07:41

gloriagloria · 10/12/2024 07:15

This will be because our own Government was not supporting the Assad regime either politically or militarily and he was not supposedly our trusted ally.

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I suspect it’s more to do with the fact Assad wasn’t Jewish - there’s a whole group of people who laughingly think of themselves independent thinkers and yet get drawn in and manipulated more easily than Sooty

Feelingathomenow · 10/12/2024 07:48

They possibly haven’t seen that particular soundbite on social media to cut and paste therefore it’s not reality

gloriagloria · 10/12/2024 08:18

Feelingathomenow · 10/12/2024 07:41

I suspect it’s more to do with the fact Assad wasn’t Jewish - there’s a whole group of people who laughingly think of themselves independent thinkers and yet get drawn in and manipulated more easily than Sooty

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I’m certainly not saying antisemitism doesn’t exist, but can you really not see why people are more likely to protest when their own governments are heavily implicated? Your assumption of universal bad faith is incredibly insulting.

Bixterret · 10/12/2024 08:22

Your partner needs to stay and help rebuild the country so all those here illegally can return.

gloriagloria · 10/12/2024 08:54

Bixterret · 10/12/2024 08:22

Your partner needs to stay and help rebuild the country so all those here illegally can return.

Until today Syrians could claim asylum so were not “illegals” but I’m sure you know that and are just trying to be offensive and provocative.