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BA25 · 2024-12-07T19:53:40+00:00

war has broken out, there village is surrounded. Is there any way I can bring them here to keep them safe? My partner is crying non stop. Can I sponsor them? The rules are so confusing.

Clavinova · 10/12/2024 13:19

AliasGrace47
We after all took in many Ukrainian refugees indefinitely

The visas for Ukrainian refugees were issued for 3 years - which can be extended by 18 months from 2025.

Feelingathomenow · 10/12/2024 13:49

gloriagloria · 10/12/2024 09:23

@feelingitnow support for Palestine does not mean support for Hamas - it is incredibly insulting to assume they are "foot soldiers for anti-semitism" - people can use their critical faculties to abhor the actions of the Israeli government without being anti-Semitic, and it is this assumption that we cannot criticise Israel without our motives being questioned that stifles debate. Of course anti-Semitism exists and has grown since the current conflict. But there are many of us who see no peaceful future while either Netanyahu's government or Hamas are in power, and are disturbed by our goverment's willingness to keep supporting an increasing out-of-control regime. Yes, you are right that the UK is involved in pretty much every conflict, but not always on the side of an aggressive and repressive regime (post 2011 we did not support Assad, although I agree we came to the conclusion pretty late) and not always as overtly.

So where were all the marches, the outcry in the media, the flags when our government was supporting Syria. Yes people can be angry about any war, but there seems to be an over coverage of Israel, all very one sided. People are being manipulated by people with an antisemitic agenda. They might think they are looking at evidence but they are being swayed by propoganda

LoremIpsumCici · 10/12/2024 16:50

Feelingathomenow · 10/12/2024 13:49

So where were all the marches, the outcry in the media, the flags when our government was supporting Syria. Yes people can be angry about any war, but there seems to be an over coverage of Israel, all very one sided. People are being manipulated by people with an antisemitic agenda. They might think they are looking at evidence but they are being swayed by propoganda

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We (U.K. & US) weren’t ever supporting the Assad regime in Syria.
We have been sanctioning Syria for the entire Assad regime.
We have been funding the non terrorist rebels starting from when they were fighting ISIS to covertly funding them after ISIS was defeated.
We voted for UN resolution 2254 sanctioning the Assad violation of human rights…back in 2015.

example of round of sanctions
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-uk-sanctions-targeting-assad-regime-for-repressing-the-syrian-people

wiki article on US intervention and covert regime change objective that Trump made overt by blabbing about it. The US has been acting in a coalition that includes the U.K.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USinterventionintheSyriancivilwar

You might want to fact check whatever propaganda source is telling you things like “our government supported Assad” as proof of protesters being manipulated by an antisemitic agenda and falling for propaganda.

Btw, I am a Jewish woman. I’ve informed mumsnet of this before, but it helps to post a reminder now and then.

LondonLawyer · 10/12/2024 18:03

Notaflippinclue · 10/12/2024 12:47

Approximately 3000 Syrians came across in boats in 2022 - would they be classed as illegals?

Impossible to say. If they claimed asylum and asylum (or another status, for example, humanitarian protection, Article 8 ECHR) has been granted, no. If they are awaiting a decision on an asylum, yes, but they can't be removed until the claim has been determined. If the asylum claim has been decided and a protection visa granted, definitely not illegals. There will be some claims made in 2022 which haven't been decided by the Home Office yet, though.

Feelingathomenow · 10/12/2024 20:13

LoremIpsumCici · 10/12/2024 16:50

We (U.K. & US) weren’t ever supporting the Assad regime in Syria.
We have been sanctioning Syria for the entire Assad regime.
We have been funding the non terrorist rebels starting from when they were fighting ISIS to covertly funding them after ISIS was defeated.
We voted for UN resolution 2254 sanctioning the Assad violation of human rights…back in 2015.

example of round of sanctions
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-uk-sanctions-targeting-assad-regime-for-repressing-the-syrian-people

wiki article on US intervention and covert regime change objective that Trump made overt by blabbing about it. The US has been acting in a coalition that includes the U.K.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USinterventionintheSyriancivilwar

You might want to fact check whatever propaganda source is telling you things like “our government supported Assad” as proof of protesters being manipulated by an antisemitic agenda and falling for propaganda.

Btw, I am a Jewish woman. I’ve informed mumsnet of this before, but it helps to post a reminder now and then.

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“Btw, I am a Jewish woman. I’ve informed mumsnet of this before, but it helps to post a reminder now and then.” this is one of the weirdest things I’ve ever read on Mumsnet. Do you honestly think anyone remembers you? If you think it’s important to you for people to know for whatever reason you really shouldn’t rely on thinking people have stored any information about you from anything you have said previously, you really should just state it in each post.

When Assad first came to power he was being courted by several western leaders who saw him as a potential game changer in the Middle East.

jasjas3008 · 10/12/2024 22:22

Well yes of course, Assad, trained as a medic in London, promised reform, he was seen as a new start and different from his father.

He turned out to be just as bad.

There are at least 5 factions vying for power in Syria, can and probably will not go well.

the Israelis certainly seem to think so.

LondonLawyer · 10/12/2024 23:11

The general international view on Syrian refugees is that things are now safer, not less safe. I'm not trying to justify this or state it is my view, but that is the general position. The UK and many EU countries have suspended asylum decisions.

All the Syria CPINs (the Home Office detailed guidance about asylum-producing countries on various topics) have been withdrawn. The UNHRC has approved the suspension - its approval isn't required in any way, and if it didn't approve that wouldn't automatically help Syrian asylum applicants in the UK, but their approval makes the decision to suspend harder to challenge.

"UNHCR takes note of the decision by a number of States who have suspended asylum decision-making on Syrian claims for international protection, until such time as the situation in the country has stabilized and reliable information about the security and human rights situation is available to assess the international protection needs of individual applicants.
In light of the uncertain and highly fluid situation the suspension of processing of asylum applications from Syrians is acceptable as long as people can apply for asylum and are able to lodge asylum applications.
Once conditions in Syria are clearer, UNHCR will also provide guidance to States on the international protection needs of relevant profiles of Syrians at risk. "

Swivelhead · 12/12/2024 16:55

How depressingly self-serving of them.

Jc2001 · 12/12/2024 18:23

Bixterret · 10/12/2024 08:22

Your partner needs to stay and help rebuild the country so all those here illegally can return.

The Daily Mail comments section is that way
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gloriagloria · 13/12/2024 10:21

Swivelhead · 12/12/2024 16:55

How depressingly self-serving of them.

Of who?