XL bully shot

[louisbalfournice]

Local XL bully shot today. The owner is saying on social media that the dog was harmless but I've seen it go for a a small child before. Why are these dogs 'harmless" until they injure or kill

Then you would need to state things more concisely.

This was fairly local to me. Bit a woman with no provocation.

Police shooting it was the right thing to do. If they hadn't, someone (maybe a child) could have been injured or killed before anything else hapenned,

Many local people in the area criticising the police. The dog 'Ghost' was apparently well loved, looked after and had never been an issue before.

However
"“Officers were sent to Dykes Hall Road and the dog, believed to be a bully type, became increasingly aggressive towards members of the public and our officers.
“Given the significant risk posed, a decision was made to humanely dispatch the dog at the scene.”
They said an investigation was ongoing into the circumstances surrounding the dog being ‘dangerously out of control’."

Whilst there may have been a reason for this incident, dogs with the potential to be dangerous and even fatal cannot be allowed on our streets, this could have been a child.

Does there really always have to be a fatality before potentially lethal dogs are put to sleep

@ScorpioRising83

I don't think it's possible to breed a dog to be aggressive

Don't be daft. Of course you can. @Abc1weabc1 lists ingrained instincts of a few breeds. I've personally seen account of doberman owners say they never really trained their dog (unwise), but that the dog automatically has a guarding instinct and is keenly alert to going-ons around them.

If course she was and it shouldn't have happened. When neighbours report dogs being mishandled by thugs something should be done about it, I think that's more important to preventing these incidents than banning a particular breed. These lads would have mishandled any large breed and they would've been dangerous.

I mention that she wasn't killed because it's part of the hyperbolic narrative that these dogs are killing machines. A PP said no adult would survive an attack by them.

We are overlooking something when we fixate on a breed, that some people use animals for the purposes of antisocial behaviour. Often these attacks can be seen coming by people who recognize that an owner isn't fit to keep a dog, any dog.

I don't agree with breeding them, because I think the purpose of what they were bred for has been manipulated to be a status dog. But do I feel bad for a dog who had a shit owner, didn't know right from wrong (in dog language) being shot because it had a shit owner, yes I do.

I’ve got a dog that I’ve exempted as an XL. A rescue I got 3.5 years ago. He was in dire need of a decent home having been abused by previous owners so badly it took a year to rehabilitate him and mend his bones. I think I’m a decent owner although according to this thread I need to either be sent to prison or killed alongside the dog.

The XL Bullies were bred to kill. It’s humans fault we bred them to be like that. They are still animals with feelings and can feel pain.
I understand armed police being forced to shoot an XL Bully when it has attacked someone and is actively a threat.

But I don’t agree with just shooting them all. If possible, a dangerous dog should be put to sleep when it has calmed down as that is more humane.

XL Bullies should really be sterilised put in a sort of Dog Zoo like we do with lions, tigers, wolves so they can at least live out the rest of the natural life. The breed should be banned and also bred out of existence. It’s an artificial one anyway, we created it so we should end it.

Do it a bit more ethically than God’s attempt to wipe out we wicked humans with the Great Flood.

Humans, in most civilised countries, generally don’t rip random strangers apart, including children, who look at them the wrong way. The same cannot be said for these monstrosities.

Stupidest comment of the night.

'It'S nOt ThE dOG iT's ThE oWnEr' doesn't apply when you're dealing with a breed who have been bred to be utterly psychotic. If you can't see the difference between XLB and a staffie then you are beyond help.

I've met more terriers I believed would attack than bullys.

And which would you prefer attacked you, out of the two?

It is often the owner not the dog who is at fault, but NO big dog should be allowed to roam free or be alone with a child. Every big dog can cause harm in certain circumstances.

• If a peke nips a child, it is a plaster/bandage/tet shot, if a doberman does the same, it could be a broken leg or even a broken neck.
• If a standard poodle jumps on a baby, they could die from crush injury, not so if a toy poodle does.

We brought home an overweight Labrador from Battersea, described as a family pet, On the way home it was pestered by a toy poodle on a long lead I kicked the poodle before they could connect, but in my street a neighbour let its corgi attack, and was ripped open, further down a toy poodle jumped its wall and got its ear opened up by this gentle lab - neither was his fault but his size made him more dangerous. An old English sheepdog, a rottie, a labradoodle can weigh as much as 8 stones - imagine any one of them flying at you, even just in greeting. However, if you have a child or a small dog, you really do need to be aware that you just cannot let in touch/poke/jump on/scream or bark at a bigger dog without consequences.

@LoremIpsumCici what?!
Mmm (happy) places likes zoos?
Biblical floods?!

Don't you think a lack of training is a risk factor in dog aggression? If they'd actively socialised it well in order to make sure it wasn't aggressive would it have been?

Why are the papers not full of stories of doberman attacks? I suggest because they are not the thug's dog of choice at the moment (less attacks) and not the pearl clutchers preferred demon (any attacks less likely to be reported)

There's lots of ways I can keep putting this. Nobody has actually refuted my argument. Gone crying to MNHQ, called me allsorts, but not logically explained why this particular kind of dog is born bad, and why ownership,handling, training and socialisation are not relevant.

Why did you pick an XL bully to own, out of all the other dogs in need of rescuing?

There will be a few isolated cases where someone through circumstances largely out of their own control ended up with responsibility for one of these dogs and is now making the best of the situation and following the law.

However, the majority of people who own an XL Bully bought one deliberately, knowing that they were essentially a loophole for people who could no longer own Pitbulls. Anyone who has obtain one since the law came in is also a criminal.

A dog zoo full of fighting dogs would be a shit show. They would fight/kill each other. Unless you kept them all isolated from each other, which would also be unethical as dogs are a social species despite what humans have done to ruin these particular ones.

If anyone wants to defend this breed of dog they need to look at the videos of them bringing adult after adult down and imagine your child as the victim instead. Fucking dangerous things and I’d like them all shot.

I sort of agree, size matters. But are certain breeds demonic by DNA?

But looking at the argument this way, I would rather spend time around exceptionally trained xl bullies than badly trained terriers.

My friend at school had a hugely aggressive standard poodle, scared the shit out of me as a kid, he was at my face height and easily could have mauled or worse. He was locked away anytime company was over. Babysat for a family who had a very aggressive lab, who was also locked away when I went there.
My DH had a staffie (I know not XL but I'm a similar sphere) when I met him, beautifully trained never showed any sign of aggression. I know which dog I would have felt safer around.

@ScorpioRising83 if you bothered to research it instead of just preaching ignorant chavtastic bollocks you would see that the interbreeding and general fucked up genetics of this breed sets them apart from other strong, powerful breeds. They are simply not wired up right and no amount of training is going to fix that.

Not that most of these owners bother with things like training because they aren't actually interested in the wellbeing of the dog, just using them as a status symbol. Oh well let's hope they don't end up on the wrong side of one of their flip outs.

evidence?

Exactly that. Completely fucked up genetics and feckless owners.

Not necessarily and zoo keepers have lots of tranquillisers and methods to keep apart specific dogs that have it in for each other. Most dogs can get along with some other dogs, even XL bullies.

@S@ScorpioRising83'I don't think it's possible to breed a dog to be aggressive'

You absolutely can. I train security dogs for a living. The puppies we breed come from parents picked specifically for the traits we want in a litter.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12520857/amp/HALF-Britains-XL-Bully-dogs-descend-one-inbred-animal-named-Killer-Kimbo-decades-inbreeding-created-shallow-gene-pool-unstable-fighting-beasts.html

Much as I hate to quote the DM, this basically sums it up.

I've been verbally abused on this thread for stating what is, I feel, a valid logical position on the debate.

Dogs don't have language so they use teeth.