Is this feminism?

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I've just read about a 23 year old who comes from a wealthy background and plans to sleep with 1,000 men in 24 hrs.

In the article*, she calls herself a feminist and says she feels empowered.

I don't understand why this woman wants to do this. I can obviously understand the financial aspect but she talks about the event taking place in a warehouse with men coming in one door and leaving out the other.

I'm obviously behind the times because when I was that age, women didn't aspire to live stream themselves having sex with countless men.

I'm wondering what the hell has happened for women to choose to do this and think it's empowering. These women have the support of their families which I also don't understand.

*Daily Heil

Because men already hold all the power unfortunately 😒

I don't think what she is doing is feminist.

But I think the stereotypical double standard of
Woman who has sex with a lot of people = "slut" whereas man = "hero" does still persist. Enjoying sex shouldn't be seen as a moral failing.
(Obviously safe sex)

I think it is disgusting but it is her choice. It's interesting that she is being painted as a victim of the patriarchy when you could quite as easily say she is using young men for her own gain, sure they're getting a shag out of it, but she is the attention seeking woman looking to get rich quick. Both are consensually using one another.

If a story like this came out 20 years ago I'd be delving into the reasoning behind such choices, like other pp have. Unfortunately, with todays social media society I don't think there necessarily needs to be some underlying trauma, we simply have an entire generation of narcissists who will do anything to get noticed.

"Your body, your choice " is a fucking con. Women and girls have been fed this line for decades now in the pretence that's it's empowering them. It's a systemic con job that these people have utterly fallen for and men are fucking delighted.
It's the same degradation of our bodies though, the same usage, the same misogyny, the same disrespect of women as old as time, only this time, they've been conned into thinking it's fucking empowering.

THANK YOU!!! I wholeheartedly agree!

I’ve been saying this for years - these young women have been brainwashed into thinking this is for THEIR good, when the chief recipients to benefit are and have always been men. It’s so blatant it makes women look even more idiotic that we’ve been taken on by it and are encouraging our friends and daughters to service men with our bodies for ££££. Being told it’s not only self-respectful but EMPOWERING - and the more skin you reveal and sexual positions you can contort yourself into is really throwing shade at these men and scoring another point for the sisterhood - are we really that dumb?!!!!

You can hear the older men laughing with their younger contemporaries and slapping each other on the back. It’s no longer top shelf - it’s everywhere - “you’re welcome!”

Meanwhile the women are the ones in therapy, getting body modifications and surgery, dealing with eating disorders and body dysmorphia and rejection when their bodies no longer satisfy the male gaze.

That a woman can propose this kind of creepy fucked up stunt and find 1000 shameless willing men certainly makes a strong feminist statement about men and misogyny, but I'm not sure I believe this woman is a feminist or doing it for feminist reasoning.

Nearly all of the debate will focus on her and very little on that very large number of willing men. What would the saturation point be? If it was advertised as 16 hours a day for weeks on end, how many men would sign up? (When) would we run out of willing men? This stunt doesn't seem to guarantee anonymity, but how many more men would sign up if it was? Food for thought.

It doesn't have to be underlying trauma to be totally brainwashed by the patriarchy. The idea that it's enticing or that people will pay to watch a woman's body being abused in this way or that the woman would choose to have her body abused in this way shows how intrenched sexism is within society.

@GlovesScarfAndBoots I think the majority of men would find the idea of going where many men had gone before quite disgusting actually.

How do you know this? Because the evidence lately, thinking of the Pelicot case, seems to point in the other direction.

Exactly! So why are some women so happy to do things like this and say it's empowering. I saw someone else (maybe Lilly Allen) saying the same thing about her only fans, 'it's empowering'. Think about why you need to be empowered rather than just having power!

@Zestylemo You see, I don't like the idea that grown women are not responsible for their own choices and actions. This whole 'choices are not made in a vacuum' spiel suggests that we are so feeble minded and heavily swayed by society that any seemingly anti feminist choices we make can't possibly be our own thought. Some people are just attention seeking narcs, I think it is no deeper than that in some cases.

There is no 'evidence' for any of this. Just because a few high profile cases involving delinquents have been brought to light we can't say that most men would shag anyone.
In fact looking at the emerging male sub cultures online there is a lot of talk about 'body counts' and how nobody wants a woman with a 'high body count.'
Putting that aside, the regular men in my life find the idea of being number 5 in a line up to have sex completely revolting. This topic has come up in my house due to it being splashed across the news.

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@Newbynewbynew You may not like the idea that grown women are not responsible for their own choices but we are heavily swayed by society. How do you square that many women were actually against getting the vote during that period.

This is no different really that women say they like wearing high heeled shoes?

Some of the reasons they give are all based around subconscious sexism.

"I think I look more powerful in heels" but men don't wear heels and yet hold all the power

"I just enjoy wearing them" - The are totally impractical, cause long term damage and for most women they hurt. Which is why you see o many women bare foot with heels in hand at the end of a big night out.

"I like wearing them because they make my legs look better" - only because women are held to a stupid skinny leg standard which is the sexism at play. Why can't women's natural leg shape, including muscular calves, be attractive.

It is so ingrained we must suffer for the male gaze.

Apparently they don't have to ejaculate to break the record, just penetrate. So under two minutes each is actually pretty long! I'm sure many guys will try to ejaculate though.

Many plug feminism as 'freedom' to do what you want without the oppression of the patriarchy, often convinced that sex without conditions is that freedom. I don't think men are going to complain if this is the case.

@Zestylemo We don't have to suffer for the male gaze, again it's an individual choice. I'm married, I'm not trying to attract anyone when I have a night out. I just like to wear heels because they look good with my outfit.

1000 men sounds disgusting is money worth catching something nasty ?

That is exactly my point. The heels look good with your outfit because you have grown up to believe that, not because it's your intrinsic thought.

You may not like to admit it but you are totally swayed to wear heels through sexism.

I probably won't convince you though because you believe it's you own thoughts that make you think heels look good. Most women do because that's what women wear in our society.
Men don't generally wear heels in society so I suspect your husband doesn't think they would look good with his outfit.

Once you see it you can't un-see it!

I'm not going to get into commenting on this daft gimmick but I have to call out the idea that everything a woman chooses is automatically a "feminist choice". It's such a pervasive idea on here but so wrong.

Whenever there's a thread in which people discuss progressive vs traditional models in relation to women's lives there will be a bunch of posts saying that something is a "feminist choice" because a woman has chosen to do it. (For example that someone choosing to be a lifelong SAHM supported by a man for 40 years is "feminist" because a woman has chosen it).

You can do many things and still be defined as a feminist, (and for the record a SAHM can absolutely be a feminist), but you fundamentally have to believe in the core principles of feminism to be a feminist. Being a woman and making a choice in and of itself doesn't make you a feminist.

I'm so tired of seeing this trotted out on here.

I'd lean more towards individualism rather than feminism.

That said, there isn't a single definer of feminism as it's an umbrella term for dozens upon dozens of branches with varying ideas - many in conflict with each other - on the causes and solutions to girls' and women's struggles. Some of them do have a lot of individualism within them, highly focused on the concept that our struggles are all down to a lack of options and choices of ourselves and/or those before us and the solutions being our individual choices (with varying focuses on personal responsibility or communal responsibility of those choices).

Within individualistic choice-focused feminine, yes this could fit, even more in those with a focus on individualistic choices that earn a woman income. Within many other branches, no it wouldn't be feminist, but neutral individualist act (dangers to herself aside, their lens would have it neither help or hinder the solutions or add to the problems), and in a more still it would antithetical to the solutions, add to the struggles through the public promotion of this treatment towards women, and be considered very anti-feminist. It depends on which if any feminist lens used.

That is a very patronising way to speak to another woman. Who are you to determine which thoughts are legitimately my own and which are not.

I like quality handbags and shoes, so yes that pair stilettos that match my bag is indeed my intrinsic thought. Does choosing a nice handbag qualify as my own choice? Where is the line drawn?

Gen Z are specifically not wearing heels on nights out, there have been many articles on this. So it definitely isn't an expectation.

Once you see it you can't un-see it! I can well believe that, conversely, once you see yourself as a victim you struggle to see yourself as anything but.

Not All Menning doesn't change the facts. It doesn't matter one jot that some men wouldn't in this situation when enough men would. I would really love to hear she struggled to recruit 1000 men, but sadly I don't think that will be the case.

Sleep with a thousand men? You'll not get much sleep love!

I am sorry you felt patronised that was not my intention. But heels cause long term injury to feet and hinder movement. Hand bags do not.

Foot binding in China was something women chose to do because they thought it looked good. Or were they swayed by their society?

Burmese women have chosen to wear rings around their necks to elongate their necks because they thought it looked attractive.

I could go on but when something causes bodily damage and only one sex are doing it to look good i assume it's not an actual choice but societal expectation, normally women for beauty for male gaze.

I don't disagree with you, it is shocking that 1000 men are up for this. I was merely pointing out that we can't know how many more would be up for it if total anonymity could be guaranteed. I speculated that there wouldn't be ever so many more, as we have to give the benefit of the doubt that the majority of men are normal and just as disgusted by it.

It is internalized mysoginy, no less. It is probably revolting . Who , as a feminist, would like their daughters to act like this?