Is this feminism?

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I've just read about a 23 year old who comes from a wealthy background and plans to sleep with 1,000 men in 24 hrs.

In the article*, she calls herself a feminist and says she feels empowered.

I don't understand why this woman wants to do this. I can obviously understand the financial aspect but she talks about the event taking place in a warehouse with men coming in one door and leaving out the other.

I'm obviously behind the times because when I was that age, women didn't aspire to live stream themselves having sex with countless men.

I'm wondering what the hell has happened for women to choose to do this and think it's empowering. These women have the support of their families which I also don't understand.

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This particular thing she’s doing is (obviously) anti-feminist. But that doesn’t mean SHE is not a feminist, as she may still hold feminist aims and values.

Almost all of us do anti-feminist things in our daily lives all the time. But we may still be feminists. This is just a very extreme example.

More useful than questioning whether she/this is feminist is examining what it tells us about men’s attitudes to women that there is an hugely profitable audience for this, and so many willing to participate.

It's an act of self harm, not feminism.

'Choice' feminism is just capitalism.

Feminism is the belief that women and men should have equitable rights.

Using your body for the gratification (ejaculation) of 1000’s of men perpetuates the idea women’s bodies are vessels for male enjoyment.

Is she a feminist? I doubt it when she ‘chooses’ to do this.

Is this an act of feminism? Absolutely not.

An act of feminism would be fighting for a space on a board of directors or working within a charity that lifts women towards equitable status to men.

We've seen from years of freely available porn that there's a huge appetite for this. In fact, men can't seem to get enough.

I'm interested in how society has changed regarding women and the sex industry.

We've seen how even the clothes of little girls are sexualised from slogans to g strings. How teenagers are encouraged to pose seductively on social media and how young women are turning to Onlyfans as an act of empowerment.

Is this simply the pornification of society?

i think we need to stop focusing on her and focus on the 1000 men willing to do this to a woman.

I would guess she has been exposed to hard line misogyny, more than the average women, and believes that it’s empowering to have so many men ejaculate inside her. Or she is mentally ill.

Which ever it is, the 1000 men involved should be questioned about their understand of the woman who has consented. They should be asked about their actions perpetuating misogyny and harming all women in society where 1 in 4 woman will be raped in their lifetime.

The 1000 men who partake in this act should be ashamed of themselves.

The 1000 men who partake in this act should be ashamed of themselves

This is not meant to excuse the men doing this but, from what I've read, it sounds like she typically targets uni freshers (i.e. age 18) for these types of things and films it all and puts it online. I think there's a high chance many of these young men will live to regret it and will feel very ashamed of themselves.

You're thinking of another woman who does this, I think her name is Bonnie Blue. She's the one who targets Freshers. This woman just wants the men to be over 18.

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This activity is not making the world a better place.

You're thinking of another woman who does this, I think her name is Bonnie Blue. She's the one who targets Freshers. This woman just wants the men to be over 18.

Oh wow there's more than one. Jesus. I guess this is the inevitable consequence of so many young people growing up on a diet of readily accessible extreme pornography.

I advocate for safe conditions for sex workers... But let's not fool ourselves.
Sex work wouldn't exist if we weren't in a patriarchal society where men see women's bodies as a commodity to be consumed.

There is nothing inherently feminist about being a sex worker, although you can have feminist ideals and opinions.

A lot of women do the best they can, but pretending it is an empowering career path (presuming no trauma/poverty/trafficking) is deluded.

Yes. This is why I started the thread as I don't understand why women are doing this.

I can understand women who get into sex work because of poverty or addiction but not if they have choices.

This is pure commodification of her body simply because she can. I'm wondering what has gone wrong in society for this to be seen as acceptable and for her family to support her.

I've noticed the twisting of feminism to mean anything a woman does is feminist because she's a woman. It also seems to mean sex work is a feminist choice.

A couple of pop stars are also on Onlyfans, Kate Nash and Lily Allen. It seems to be becoming mainstream.

Yes. This is why I started the thread as I don't understand why women are doing this.

So, as far as I understand, for these particular women they think they're going to make millions out of this on Onlyfans. I guess they think they'll do this and never have to work again. They've absorbed the messaging that this is empowering and are probably dissociating, in the way a lot of prostituted women do, to mentally get through it.

I don't know why the families are "supporting" these women but it's probably because they think they can't stop them and don't want to publicly shame them.

Bonnie Blue's parents openly advertise her services. That goes beyond not wanting to shame her

This woman has apparently earned 2m already from Onlyfans. Yes, she's definitely doing it for the money.

It is self harm OP. And it is not ‘empowering’ at all. What ‘power’ does she gain from this?

You can be a feminist in theory and do anything, but obviously prostitution is not a feminist act. Less extreme behaviours like wearing make-up, dyeing one's hair, removing body hair are all un-feminist, but I wouldn't say you need to be perfect to be a feminist. Maybe that makes it meaningless...

When labelling "un-feminist acts", my opinion is based on whether the behaviour is performed to provide immediate comfort for one person but will negatively impact future generations of women. For example, removing my body hair or wearing make-up might make me feel better about myself right now, but it prolongs the pressure on younger women to conform to these same standards. I choose to bear some of the burden of change so that my niece, for instance, doesn't have to sacrifice as much!

Liberal feminism is the biggest lie ever sold to women.

The only people it benefits are men.

But I'm an old school 2nd wave feminist.

Well said.

I also agree that it's a form of self harm.

Why is it only ever women who need to be empowered.

No. What she is doing does not bring a single thing to promote female equality and equity. Not a single woman will benefit from this. Even her. It will wreck her, long term.

She says she ‘chooses’ to do this but it’s clear the rules of the game are very much set by the patriarchy.

This. Every word of this.

What's the difference between being a fresher and a man over 18?

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My thoughts exactly

This, how can it be feminist and empowering for women to sell sex to men, but totally the opposite for men to pay for it?