Reform and abortion

[Craftymam]

Just a public service announcement as I missed this last week and find it quite shocking that coverage was so low.

Nigel Farage has said he wants to ‘open a new discussion’ on abortion rights.

Considering everything that’s gone on in America, the rise in popularity of reform and this alleged 100 Million donation from Elon musk; I felt I had to bring this to everyone’s attention.

I understand that but some women just bad in nature without mental health problems

I really don't understand your position, do you think women who are bad in nature make good mothers, and should be forced to carry to term?

There are plenty of UK permanent residents and citizens who do not have English as a first language.

Except not one person on this thread has said that it’s cute for twelve year olds to be having sex have they? Stop making stuff up just so you can be goady and provoke reactions. It’s not cleaver. Quite the opposite in fact.

You don’t teach 13 year olds about sex so that they can go off and do it with your blessing. You teach them about sex so that as they grow up and they do get into relationships, you know, when they’re 16 and over the age of consent, they haven’t just been introduced to the concept of sex and bam there they are doing it behind the sheds at school.

you teach children about sex so that they learn what safe sex is and they learn what consent is, and what it isn’t.

You talk to them about sex so that they know where babies come from, s that, when the time comes for them to have sex, they know what the consequences of that could be if they’re not careful.

And you talk to them about sex because they already know about it. From their friends with older siblings. From the playground, and if they have siblings themselves they hear about it from them.

You know your eleven year old knows what sex is right? I promise you, she knows.

It is incredibly rare for a woman to wish to terminate at 22 weeks.Only about 1% of abortions are performed after 20 weeks If it does happen, it's likely to be because:

(a) the fetus has died, and this could result in the mother developing sepsis if not terminated

(b) the fetus has a severe abnormality which would result in them dying at or soon after birth or having very poor quality of life

(c) the woman has a life-threatening condition such as severe pre-eclampsia, which can only be treated by termination.

Do you also not wish her to be taught about road safety until she is roaming freely? Learning about the facts of life is often best done before they become an immediate issue.

That applies to all human beings, not just women. But we don't make law with people like that in mind, we make law with ordinary human beings in mind.

My daughter know road safety she.walk school herself

Cool beans. Totally addressed my point that Julia34 is a foreign influencer from a hostile power.

Maybe a baby fathered by an abuser, a rapist that the mother has desperately dissociated from.

Maybe a profoundly disabled baby who will tip a family over the edge.

Maybe a baby whose mother is a child with no understanding that she is pregnant.

Maybe a baby whose mother is trapped in an abusive situation that she will never escape once a baby is born.

Maybe not a baby at all, depending on belief systems.

The reality is, that very, very few abortions are even between 16 and 24 weeks, let alone after 24. After 24 it is because of risk to maternal life, or serious disability. These facts may well not be apparent until later. They often are not, hence late abortion. That door must not be shut. If it is, women die.

It’s just a bizarre proposition.

Women have abortions because they don’t want to be pregnant and they don’t want to have a baby.

Im 7 months at the moment. I have spent the last 6 months in extreme exhaustion, uncomfortable, with indigestion, heartburn, morning sickness, vitamin depletion, part insomnia, part lethargy. Can’t stand for too long as my pelvis is giving in. Can’t sit for too long because then I can’t breathe as babe crushed my lungs. Thankfully haven’t had any nerve pain or sciatica yet. It’s wrekced my immune system and I’m getting illness after illness. I’m having to attend scans, bloods, midwife appointments, consultant appointments. It’s taking up a load of time.

The idea that someone would wait to have a late term abortion for lifestyle reasons is bizarre considering the amount of energy and discomfort expended. And then you have to have a surgical abortion or lethal injection and induction of labour so birthing anyway. Bizarre. The reason it just doesn’t happen is because that’s insane. Who would do that and why?!

Ok cool 😂 yeah for me abortion all will be banned.
But seriously the law can allow women to abort
Early stage pregnacy up to 12 weeks if pregnancy is result of rape, the danger to women life or the bad birth defects it is and for any just reason also allow in some circumstances abortion in later stage pregnacy.
So don't know where the problem are?

Problem 'are' that I think women have bodily autonomy.

Regardless of 'if pregnancy is result of rape' 'danger to women life' or 'the bad birth defects'.

Piss off back to North Korea.

The unborn babies have rights to live especially if they are healthy and not cause risk for women.

🤣oh why this aggression cause I not agree with you

It is because of people who think like you that women have died in the US and Poland.

Unborn babies should not have rights. Women should have all the rights. The baby gets rights once it is born. If not, you get women put in prison for 30 years for having a miscarriage, as happens in El Salvador.

Banning abortion kills women. Banning abortion puts women in prison. People who want to ban abortion do not care about women.

No! I clearly said that the law allowed women to have abortion if they at risk of dying. So why you now txt to me "because of you women had died " . I clearly said before that women in life risk by law can have abortion

Who tell unborn babies should have no rights? They are human beings and if they not pode risk for women why they should died?

Oh yeah go exteme 😑

If you updated it due to changes over time it would be earlier as babies can be saved from around 22 weeks if born that early.

Texas has stopped tracking the number of women who die as a result of the abortion ban.

''The original statute prohibits the review of abortion-related deaths, a caveat that even committee members were not aware of until a few months ago. The Legislature also allocated money last year with the intent of cutting Texas out of the federal maternal death tracking system, despite committee members' concerns.''
https://www.texastribune.org/2024/12/06/texas-maternal-mortality-committee-deaths

@J@Julia34 it’s really very simple. Don’t agree with abortion? Then don’t have one. It’s really very simple. You know? Your body your choice.

But you have no right to tell any other woman, and that includes your daughter when she’s old enough, what she can and cannot do with her body.

And you know the irony of you agreeing with that odious little twat Farage? Given it’s very clear you’re not from the UK, if he ever did come to power he would almost certainly want you deported. That doesn’t mean he’s right. He isn’t. But the kind of people who vote for him are the kind of people who agree with him on far more close to home (for you) issues than abortion.

Be careful what you wish for.

But not when women is healthy baby healthy and then women decide "oh 24 weeks pregnant let's do abortion"

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and really how often does this happen?

I don't know. I said before there will be not happen until law changes to allowed women have abortion until birth date

The problem with your stance is that in places in the US where there are abortion bans, doctors are very conservative about stating that a woman is at risk of dying. Because if they are deemed to have given someone an abortion when they were not at risk of dying, they can be jailed. So they get it wrong in the other direction - they don't intervene fast enough. And women have died because of it.

On the other hand if you make abortion legal, it can be delivered safely when women need it, because nobody is afraid of being jailed. Do you get it now?

The bottom line is that the woman must always come first. Because if it is otherwise, you are reducing her to a vessel. A slave. Why do you want to do that to women?

And you are wrong about that. It will not happen at all, because women are better than that and can be trusted. Why do you not trust women?

😅 if the women already allowed to have abortion in late stages pregnacy if birth defects are find out and they are risk of daying then WHY TO FIGHT FOR ABORTION TO BE ALLOWED UNTIL LATE PREGNANCY if they are already having this rights if the pregnacy is at risk?

Nope.

Nobody has the right to my body.

I love my sister more than anybody or anything on earth.

She does not have the right to piggy back on my liver, my kidneys, or my heart.

If someone's life depends on endangering mine, they can go fuck themselves, and so can you.