Reform and abortion

[Craftymam]

Just a public service announcement as I missed this last week and find it quite shocking that coverage was so low.

Nigel Farage has said he wants to ‘open a new discussion’ on abortion rights.

Considering everything that’s gone on in America, the rise in popularity of reform and this alleged 100 Million donation from Elon musk; I felt I had to bring this to everyone’s attention.

Glad you picked up on this. I’m totally invested in future generations of women continuing to have the same reproductive rights I had throughout my fertile life. You don’t just stop caring because you can’t get pregnant any more.

Just another Politician picking a divisive policy to attention seek primarily. That is what they have all been doing! They won’t actually believe in any of it. It just gets people talking. And also means they do not actually have to do the real job if they get into power but just talk about their divisive nonsense.

Okay. I hope we never get to the point where we need to defend abortion.
I have my opinion and you have yours.
It’s a shame that you don’t deem women uniting as democracy.
I obviously have totally different views to you.
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Women uniting would be fantastic. But it isn't, and has never happened. Our own differing views are proof of that.

I agree, I think for me as I have got older and have been pregnant and had a child, I realised how hard pregnancy can be on the body (and mind) and how conception is the biggest gamble of your life. I got lucky on the odds, but have friends, relatives and colleagues who have children who will never be independent due to varying levels of disability.

These are things I could never have fully understood as a younger women, which whilst I have always been pro choice, I am now vocally pro choice to advocate for the rights of younger women and girls, including my own daughter.

That statistic covers all abortions after 24 weeks and is accounted for by delays for further investigation, decision making time, scheduling etc or just new information coming to light. The last time I looked at the stats for abortions carried out on the basis of ground E after 30 weeks it was 2.

No woman continues with an unwanted pregnancy for any longer than necessary. Anyone having an abortion after 24 weeks is almost certainly devastated that they are ending a pregnancy for a much wanted child. Statutory ground E abortions should not even be part of the discussion.

As a boomer who fought for and defends abortion rights, all I cay is that Farage will never lead a government, thank God, , so no need to worry. 🤷‍♀️

I am not going to argue your opinion. You have valid opinions and see the world differently.
Differing views should not be a barrier to the ultimate goal of preserving women’s rights should it become necessary in the future.
I hope that it never comes to the point where we have to fight on this topic.

The main issue from my perspective having unfortunately been through this is that the '20 week' scan, where many women learn of fetal anomalies, doesn't actually always happen at 20 weeks but can be 22-24 weeks. THEN even when they are diagnosed, there is further testing, and then if you are pushed beyond the date, your case has to go to a tribunal where it is decided whether or not you are eligible for a TFMR.

I have no idea if the lowering of the limit will apply to TFMR because currently it doesn't, but that is my concern. Aside from the fact that it is obviously an attempt at chipping away our reproductive rights.

This is all 100% the correct analysis. Be careful about who you get in to bed with on other issues. The far right the world over is not a friend of women's rights.

Thank you - that's what I was trying to get at.

It boils my piss that people are pushing the idea that women waltz down to the GP on the verge of giving birth because "they've changed their mind on a whim" in order to remove the option of safe, legal abortion altogether.

This is why women die - it leaves HCPs dithering about legalities over the "rights" of the fetus over the rights of women to survive. It can lead to women being prosecuted over "stillbirth / abortion" arguments. It shows such contempt for women.

Have we had a response?

So many people fail to understand why abortion rights need to be universal and without time limits. It's not about thousands of women with healthy pregnancies merrily lining up for 39 week abortions! That would never happen, and if you really think it would, then your internalised misogyny is part of the problem. It's about respecting the right of women to make decisions - including very difficult ones - about their own bodies, without the presumption that the state needs to add controls because women can't be trusted.

Brexit has shown how easy it is to get people to split into odd pairings over an emotive single issue.

No the anomalies scan is done at 20 weeks for a reason you need time and space to process and arrange a termination it's not like you pop to Tesco they are out of stock so you drive to Sainsbury's for one

Understood but why argue for something that isn't needed if it damages your cause?

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I am fully aware of what abortion entails. I was asking a question. Like anyone would liken it to a trip to Tesco 🙄

I'm disgusted to see he wants to raise this as a discussion
No he doesn't
he just wants to restrict women’s rights
the world is going backwards !!

Abortion simply needs to be removed from the criminal justice system entirely

Nigel Farage doesn't care about the viability of foetuses. This is not some moral crusade, it is a way to get people talking about Nigel bloody Farage. **

All this.
Plus sorting out child maintenance. Making the non residential parent pay, no avoiding it.

Fortunately HQ deleted it, Annabella, but even as a supporter of choice it struck me as an indication of just how far some are prepared to push this

Seeing that according to polling, the majority of women in the UK believe the current 24-week gestational limit for abortion should be reduced, I think it's completely valid that we have a discussion on our abortion laws.

I doubt many men do want to restrict abortion.
I mean, legal abortion let’s so many men off the hook ( so to speak )
How many men have said ‘just get rid of it’ when a pregnancy is announced that the man doesn’t want. I know ultimately it’s the woman’s choice, but I do feel some women are pressured into terminations.

Doctors can’t always be trusted. I mentioned earlier the case of Kermit Gosnell In Philadelphia. He was known by the city for having abortion practices that were dodgy but the city didn’t want to be seen as ‘restricting access’ and you ended up with botched abortions ended by a snip to the spinal cord and a woman dead on the operating table. He’s now in jail for life iirc

There’s a reason safe, legal and rare was the catchphrase for so long.