To think this attack on London Jewish schoolchildren should have been headline news

[ThisPerkySheep]

I have been waiting for this story to go mainstream, and I’m shocked that it hasn’t.

So far, it seems only the Daily Mail has reported on it - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14142235/amp/Jewish-children-terrified-thugs-London-bus-rocks-Israel.html.

When are we going to start taking the threats against Jews in the UK seriously and actually do something about it?

It is terrible and anti semitism is an ignored issue. But no I do not think it should have been front page news. There is a lot of news at the moment.
And other publications have covered it, including the BBC.
The Mail tends to be quicker at reporting stories as they do not do the same fact checking as media like the BBC.

I don't doubt that is true. I'm sure there are lots of other failings in government provision for refugees (and plenty of other groups too), but they don't all lead to racism. I imagine that the majority of people educated in antisemitic systems are not fanatics fuelled by hatred. They probably don't think anymore about e.g. year 9 science that you or I do. I expect that a fairly brief introduction to British values would be enough for the overwhelming majority to realise that the things they were taught are not objective facts, but racism. I imagine it could be taught as part of a wider programme including stuff about how to get a bank account, apply for a schools, use the recycling facilities etc. The problem is that way too many refugees do not have access to even that much education in the UK. Those in urban areas typically do, although childcare provision, availability, healthcare needs etc mean that many still can't access it. As a result of that, there are people in the UK who were taught as scientific fact that Jews are not humans, and the UK has failed to do enough to ensure that they are taught that's not true or to ensure it doesn't lead to increased antisemitism. I can't believe this is something anyone wants. I'm sure it's a gap in the system, but if we pretend it's not there, it's never going to get fixed.

I am sorry but your arguments are nonsensical. You can look up the official sources yourself for the statistics I gave. As for any claim that any group can produce statistics - well of course. That doesn't undermine the veracity of any other group. You exclaiming ' I don't believe it!' doesn't make anything untrue.

You have literally produced absolutely nothing to undermine the claims, or evidence, of previous posters and myself but instead have just stated ideological assertions, and AI generated ones at that.

Absolutely right. And the denial and lack of self-reflection by those who view themselves as impeccably anti-racist is part of the problem.

Fair enough.

I wonder if more unbiased news sources are having trouble verifying the facts, the story is coming from the Jewish Chronicle and it seems that the. Is driver didn’t think about reporting it, seems bizarre.
The children involved should be easily identified by their uniforms and the bus CCTV so hopefully the police are looking into what happened.

Be the change you want to see, man!

We could reduce anti-Semitism by one person if you stopped holding these anti-Semitic views.

Look at you, changing the world one emoji at a time

Embarrassing

And of course, we all know there was no anti semetism prior to 1948 🙄

I sadly think you're right and it's really fucking scary

Just because Chat GPT says it, that doesn’t make it necessarily true! In any case, the number of times the words "might" and "could" are used diminishes the value of everything else.

@Comedycook
I'm Jewish :) I don't plan on making any change via mumsnet, I'm involved in real life activism which does more than typing away on here. Thank you for the motivation though x

You quoted another posters post but tagged me

ChatGPT is a pile of shite and not to be trusted! It just takes info from random available sources - so please, for the love of god, don’t go quoting it as facts… it’s everything that’s wrong with AI and there’s a reason it’s free.
The youngest child studying history or politics is taught to check their sources for bias…

Was that meant to be some sort of gotcha? Sorry its not. Just like women can hold misogynistic views.

Your argument is also untrue, and ahistorical, as it ignores the fact that anti-Semitism was thoroughly active for the centuries and millenia before the Israel/ Palestine conflict.

But you must know that.

So the only reason for your comment was to somehow blame Jews for the racism they face in the UK. Which is a deeply anti-Semitic view.

What a silly comment. You think there was no antisemitism before the creation of Palestine?

But at least you are tacitly admitting that there is antisemitism in the UK caused by the wholly irrational blaming of British Jews for actions taken by the Israeli government. Shame you didn’t condemn it, though.

As for the ‘reporting’ of this story 1 is the JC and the other is the Fail quoting the JC story - talk about lazy journalism. If the DM actually
cared it would investigate this incident, find out the actual facts and THEN it might actually become a bigger news story.

And I wouldn't say nothing has been done to stop islamophobia. Look at how quickly the justice system worked to deal with the people involved in the far right riots recently..look how many were sent to prison. Quite rightly too.

You called me anti-semitic, I was tagging you so you'd see why you're wrong!

Officers in Barnet are investigating a potential hate crime after a school bus was targeted on High Street, Edgware. Stones were thrown at the bus before a group of other students got on and made antisemitic remarks towards those on board. Officers from the safer transport team have spoken to the victims involved, as well as their parents, and enquiries are ongoing

This is a quote from the Met Police in the article. They state they have interviewed witnesses and anti-Semitic abuse was made by the attackers.

Now, you either didn't read this very short article well, so missed this.

Or are so keen the find reasons that anti-Semitic attacks are not anti-Semitic that you blanked this from your memory.
Or you think this is all a big Jewish Conspiracy and the witnesses or JC and DM (perhaps because Jews control the media) or all three are just outright lying. Or maybe the police are lying too, and are part of the Jewish conspiracy as well.

I have no idea why there is a DM link in my post, sorry!

You're making up a lot and reading between lines that aren't there. I'm Jewish, I don't need to condemn antisemitism or justify my beliefs thank you. I don't have to admit anything, I know there is antisemitism because idiots believe all Jews are genocidal israelis, I'm very aware because that's what I've witnessed and experienced first hand. I'm part of the community being attacked, that is the point of this thread. If you want to insult me or accuse me of being antisemitic you've got the wrong person, and you're leaning into your own bias.

All sorts of sectarianism has been rife in the U.K. for decades. Against Jews, Muslims,
Sikhs, Catholics, Protestants and on and on and on… no-one has a monopoly.
If anything it just shows how we need to be wary of ALL religions and make sure that human rights aren’t ever trumped by the right to believe in imaginary characters who apparently hold the fate of mankind at their whims

Whether or not you hold anti-Semitic views is based on your actual expressed views, not your ethnicity. Just like whether you hold misogynistic views is based on your actual expressed views, not your sex.

I clearly state I'm Jewish and a Jewish activist.

I didn't state that anti-semitism only began when Israel first attacked and invaded Palestine in the 40s, did I?

If you're reading this from a brief 2 line comment on a mumsnet thread, you're clearly very insightful and I appreciate that. But it was just a 2 line comment, and you're attacking me for something you think I'm insinuating, but I'm not insinuating anything! I apologise if my comment is so vague it's misinterpretable, but it's mumsnet, and it's 2 lines. How much can I have possibly said in 2 lines that makes me antisemitic and a racist to you?