To think this attack on London Jewish schoolchildren should have been headline news

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I have been waiting for this story to go mainstream, and I’m shocked that it hasn’t.

So far, it seems only the Daily Mail has reported on it - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14142235/amp/Jewish-children-terrified-thugs-London-bus-rocks-Israel.html.

When are we going to start taking the threats against Jews in the UK seriously and actually do something about it?

Because they dress it up as being against Zionism rather than Jews, but we all know what they mean!

I would expect that your lovely coastal town is inclusive to anyone except Jews. The majority of the old Jewish communities of small towns across the UK have fled their small towns for London / Manchester because there is safety in numbers. A small town is unlikely to have a big enough community to afford / justify the security resources they would need in order to be able to run a Synagogue, Jewish school etc. There might be a few single Jewish families flying under the radar in your town still though.
Large refugee intake typically mean more antisemitism, not less. Many refugees who flee their homes as adults were educated abroad and will arrive in the UK with the knowledge they were taught by their school's curriculum and their culture. People all over the Muslim world are explicitly taught in science classes that Jews are not human, e.g. many people from Yemen will have learned this in school, unless they attended a private international school. Others will have been taught that the Jews deserved the holocaust or that it didn't happen or that Israel is a colony of the USA / the EU or any number of antisemitic tropes. Obviously when they arrive as refugees, their safety is more important than their education, but even once they are settled, there isn't always a good programme to teach them English and British values.

I did a 20 second advanced search and think if you truly believe we should shout it from the rooftops, perhaps lead by example.

Oh ok, then how about just on topic that encompass the ME conflict then?

Ok @Paddymcpaddy . So your argument is that when racists use a conflict in another part of the world to launch a racist attack in the UK, by linking innocent UK victims to participants in a conflict elsewhere, we should promote their racist thinking through the way we report the story, by parroting their narrative that somehow these victims are linked to the perpetrators elsewhere.

Right.

They really don't need to be like fortresses though. I worked with the CST in Prestwich for a couple of years and there was definitely a culture of shock to help keep the need for the organisation. Their risk management was also totally over the top but it gave good optics.

No you're wrong there. We've had a Jewish community in our town since the 19th century and they are still here. They have a cemetery and about 3 congregations. My immediate next door neighbours are Jewish and so are my best friends parents.
None of them have felt threatened in this town and I've known them 14 and 35 years respectively.
Mind you - my neighbour is a bit paranoid - her bins were blown down the road a few weeks ago and she said she was worried it had been done on purpose because she was Jewish. I reassured her that 50mph winds don't know the difference between Christian bins and Jewish bins. She laughed.

Excellent. Next time there's a thread where someone of Chinese descent posts that they were called a racial slur, screamed at, had things thrown at them, and made to fear for their safety on the street, I look forward to the ten page thread that will definitely be allowed to stand, where we debate how bad the incident actually was compared to China's treatment of the Uyghurs. We can then tell them it probably was nothing to do with their ethnicity and that it happens to lots of people.

When your colleague at work mentions that she has Sudanese heritage, I look forward to seeing her grilled on her feelings about the civil war. I look forward to every conversation she starts being brought back to that. And when she's the victim of hate crime, we can shrug and tell her that there just simply needs to be peace in Sudan.

Most of all though, I look forward to seeing your name on all of the threads about Palestine, where you shout from the rooftops about all of the other innocent people worldwide who are dying .

@Purspectiveplease interestingly there's a growing community of Orthodox Jews who have relocated from Stamford Hill to Canvey Island of all places

This is not like schools I have visited.

There is an ipad to sign in. But no sticker with your photo. The secretary is always busy and rushing from one task to another and consequently it would be very easy to sneak in when someone else opened the door. There is no security guard, and a secretary is not a substitute for that ( as described).

ALL of this.

I visit many schools and they all have stickers with photos. All have an airlock reception too so no chance of sneaking in. That includes primary and secondary.

ODFOD. Its not a fact. But what is a fun fact is that I will challenge/ debate show frustration to any person of race or religion, even other Black people when it comes to statements like Comedycook's. As for you and your statistics, you are no better, we can all produce statistics.

I don't think it is appropriate that on thread discussing antisemitism and the hatred and violence that stems from it by expressing intolerant views about another group of vulnerable people.

I am not sure it's safety. DH's mum is orthodox jewish and in the 1990s was trapped in a 1 bed flat with 3 children in nw london (her dh had lost his job and property prices had crashed). It was 7 years before she could afford to buy a terraced in the same area with family help but before she upsized, her rabbi tried to persuade her to be part of a scheme to move to an ex mining town (she was self employed so not bound to London) where they would set up a Jewish community complete with school, shul, Jewish bakery. She ultimately decided not to because in her words she wanted choice of 8 synagogues within walking distance, kosher supermarkets, mikveh and community. You can't replicate that in a small town. She even thought 1990s Edgware had too few Jewish facilities.

I think what happens in the small towns is that the young Jewish people either marry non Jews (and their kids no longer identity as jewish) or they move to London/Manchester/israel where there are more jewish young people. They ultimately settle in a place where their partner is likely to be agreeable with (and as the jewish community in uk is so diverse- might even be a different country). The jewish elderly ultimately pass on. DH has cousins who live in small British towns/Wales, precisely none are married to jewish people (though one has a jewish ex wife and son). In contrast dh who grew up in London has a jewish wife (I converted but that is also because I was able to convert living in London) and dh's siblings who moved to Israel to find partners also have jewish partners.

My DC's state primary school has this too. It takes ages when all the parents have to go in for something simple like a stay and read session.

I am not expressing intolorance when I state the objective fact that some countries have antisemitic curriculums, nor the opinion that educational provision for adult refugees in the UK is very inconsistent and largely depends on where they are. It is entirely possible that a refugee flees a country where they were taught that Jews aren't human and settles in a rural part of the UK. If they already speak enough English to function and / or are supported by their own family or community, they could really have very, very little formal education in the UK. Assuming they don't move to one of the few small towns which still has a Jewish community, and that they aren't super into political TV, they could live in the UK for years without realising that that science topic they studied years ago and haven't really critically examined since, would be considered outragously racist to their neighbours. It's a problem with the system, but me talking about it isn't intolerance. It will only get funding to fix it when people are aware of the problem and recognise the importance of changing it.

Those poor children, it sounds terrifying. I hope the Police get the perpetrators (sounds like it was widely filmed).

That made me laugh out loud!

So your attitude is not to follow the evidence and form your view on that, but to deny the evidence to stay neverendingly entrenched in your position! Okay-then!

Well, quite.

One of the standard definitions of anti-Semitism is to bring back any conversation about Judaism or the experience of Jews anywhere, to the actions of Israel in the Middle East.

And to blame Jewish people for Hamas' barbarous pogrom of October 7th, 2023.

Classic DARVO, which is, in this case, also deeply anti-Semitic.

It is entirely possible...
So you don't know and don't have anything to back up your assumptions. Tolerance and respect is something we all need to be mindful of, ignorance hate breeds ignorance and hate. Making sweeping generalisations without evidence serves no one.

Are you intentionally misunderstanding? The fact that the system is so utterly unfit for purpose is a huge problem! We should all be concerned by it. It's not just antisemitic views which can fall through these gaps, so can hatred of women, LGBT people and probably loads of other minorities too. Pretending the problem doesn't exist doesn't help anyone. Quite simply, education provision for adult refugees isn't good enough.

I think the ' entirely possible' was relating to depending on the Country/ school the person came from.

You haven't posted anything to 'unevidence' the more specific points made in that claim and @Purspectiveplease could post more specific evidence to support her claim too.

Anecdotally, the strongly anti-Semitic views I hear in RL have come from three main quarters - immigrants from Muslim origin countries, conspiracy theorists, and people from the self-styled 'progressive left' who are anti-Israel (these groups can overlap).

I think that therapy for PTSD would probably help a lot of refugees if they are escaping from war torn countries and oppressive regimes. I can't even begin to imagine the suffering at the loss of place and family - never mind the wars they have fled, the torture they may have endured and the people they have lost to violence.
So much damage that needs healing.

'evidence'? You've dont have any. Nada, Zilch, Rien. Am I entrenched in the view that racism is complex and cannot be reduced to simplistic comparisons where one group can claim to have it worse than all others? Damn right I am, for all the ChatGPT reasons and more. Every ethnic group can bring out harrowing statistics.

30 years ago, I was a child attending JFS. I was spat down on by children on top of busses, chased with knifes down the street and had someone walk up to me and punch me in the face. All because I was wearing the uniform.