Hoping that Greg Wallace is forgiven, rather than cancelled

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Just a few concerns about this whole GW thing. Caveat: I do not condone behaviour that is illegal.

1. It does kind of look like a whole bunch of privileged TV luvvies are clamouring to denounce someone with really quite humble roots. I grew up in London and am constantly paranoid about how I come across to my mainly middle class colleagues. The thing is, middle class and privileged people operate by a set of unwritten rules. It’s like a full time job in itself trying to emulate their way of interacting, lest you be called out for not being ‘nice’ enough or doing something odd to them, like forgetting to start an email with ‘Hope you are well?’. Only, they won’t let you know to your face that you’ve accidentally been too sharp or direct, or maybe that your joke wasn’t woke enough - no, that stuff just goes straight to HR.
2. The equality act 2010 makes it the employer’s responsibility to prevent sexual harassment in the workplace. Why wasn’t all this lewd stuff dealt with? GW said that no one had made a formal complaint. Again, it makes me wonder whether the middle class luvvies just didn’t want to call things out at the time because it’s ‘beneath’ them to even consider doing something about it.
3. Even though he’s apologised, the public doesn’t think that’s good enough. It’s like only perfect people get to keep their careers. Woe betide you if you said something crass on twitter 10 years ago, or got caught speeding or something.

Of course, lots of you would want to shout me down over this, but you know what? We’re all mums here and many of us have sons. Boys and young men do and say crass things. GW hasn’t raped or systematically abused anyone. It doesn’t make what’s happened right, but I also don’t think it’s right that swarms of pitch-fork waving strangers get to play judge, jury and executioner. I’m a big fan of forgiveness. Am I the only one?

Are you ok with him deliberately rubbing his crotch against someone when getting past?

OP hasn't been back.

Maybe she's learning something. I hope so.

OP hasn't been back.

Funny that.

Well it is occupied by women of a certain age...

People really do see what they want to see.

And some of their posts are making me lose the will...

Have you seen the fresh allegations?
What "place" do you have to be coming from to do those things?

I always find it enlightening.

Men of all backgrounds harass women. No one gets a free pass. You are doing working class men a disservice if you are claiming they don't know not to harass and assault women.

The reports are that he has assaulted women who are vulnerable due to their relative status in their workplace, by grabbing their buttocks, rubbing his cock against them etc. If your child had and older superior do this to them at work what would you want to happen?

There were male, equal-power witnesses throughout Greg's career at the BBC.

Why does it always come down to women standing up to male twats? What about the men?

GW’s behaviour is disgusting. He shouldn’t have aTV career here on in. Having said that he’s a sad act not a criminal.

I really hope some of them are bots.

You understand what he actually did and said?
Naked apart from a sock?
Groping in a lift?
And so on.
Ypu can say what you like , but some things will mean people think you are an obnoxious twat and they won’t want anything to do with you. That you want the freedom to say those things without consequence tells us a fair amount about you - none of it good.

I can't stand him and, in fairness, I'd consider anyone who makes rape jokes in the workplace or makes comments about food tasting like 'my Aunt's cunt' to be more than a bit of a twat.

I really wouldn't care if I never saw him again BUT I do think the BBC are being really OTT not showing the Christmas special episodes he's already shot.

He may be grim but he hasn't hurt anyone (as far as we're aware).

Unfortunately I don't think they all are.

For anyone saying 'well he's of his time' or 'he's of his class'. Even as far back as the 70s this guy with have had a 'disgusting twat' sign flashing over his head. There were a number of options to deal with it depending on your security in the workplace. You could punch him the face, you treat him like the dirt below you shoe, you superficially humour him and deride him behind his back. But then were sadly women in workplace who couldn't under any circumstances lose their job or weren't confident in dealing with this crap. And that is still there to this day. It is the job of adults in the workplace to deal with this shit.

I don't want a 'schoolboy who has never grown up' on my TV screen. If he has never grown up need to be back in the school room until he can behaves like a civilised adult. I watch Masterchef the Professionals. He is dealing with young men and women and should be a role model. To be honest, he has always made my flesh crawl and it would be no loss to the franchise if he was gone. Thankfully they are not cancelling the rest of the current series. It will be life changing for the finalists and this can't be spoiled due to a talentless dickhead.

The fact he comes from humble roots is irrelevant. My husband has worked for thirty years with hundreds and thousands and women in his chosen field and has had not one single complaint made about his behaviour. Greg Wallace is a misogynist, sex pest, sexist, offensive and a pillock. He totally deserves to be cancelled at the very least. Personally I hope it goes further and he gets arrested. Going by the daily changing headlines there is clearly a lot more to come out about him. It’s getting more serious by the day.

GE is a nasty title perv who has managed to cancel himself.

@derxa sexual harassment is a crime

You just know that if this thread was around when the Jimmy Saville stuff broke some of these people would be going "but he couldn't be that bad cause he did loads for charity".

Fair enough.

Coming late to this. I once came across Greggggg about 10 years ago when my company were major sponsors of the Ideal Home Show and he was a regular famous face. We had to complain about him to organisers for his inappropriate ‘Bantz’ with our team which made them feel very uncomfortable. He did it to me having met him for just 30 seconds. Sorry, but he knows the impact he has and has known for years. He does it on purpose.

If I was subjected too, or over heard just a fraction of what I put up with in the workplace today, I'd hit the fucking roof. I'm a middle class, middle aged woman with the confidence to fight back. So different to my 21 year old self.

Same. I have reached the age/experience/position that i can step in - and i DO step in - if i witness anything approaching inappropriate behaviour. Last week i reminded someone that racism takes many guises, and over the years since i stopped worrying that i might lose my job - i have made bloody sure i stick up for the women who aren't in a position to stick up for themselves (for whatever reason).And i get called a withered old hag or a dragon. But not by the young women I'm supporting.

Why are women only coming forward now?

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Why not come forward now? One allegation is easily (as has been bloody shown) brushed under the carpet.

Lots of allegations are much harder to quash.

And actually I don't think here should be anything like statute of limitations on something like this.

If a man doesn't want his twattish behaviour to come back and haunt him, don't be a handsy, misogynistic twat.

It's incredibly simple and many men somehow mange

I think I would turn it round and say there is a lot of men perhaps of a certain age who think sexist behaviour and innuendos are ok. I’m a mum of a daughter and do not think it is ok for her to grow up and be spoken to and leered at like I was. I am also the mum of boys and teach them it is not acceptable.

He’s a repulsive misogynistic nobhead. Glad to see the back of him. Don’t know who he ever thought he was