Hoping that Greg Wallace is forgiven, rather than cancelled

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Just a few concerns about this whole GW thing. Caveat: I do not condone behaviour that is illegal.

1. It does kind of look like a whole bunch of privileged TV luvvies are clamouring to denounce someone with really quite humble roots. I grew up in London and am constantly paranoid about how I come across to my mainly middle class colleagues. The thing is, middle class and privileged people operate by a set of unwritten rules. It’s like a full time job in itself trying to emulate their way of interacting, lest you be called out for not being ‘nice’ enough or doing something odd to them, like forgetting to start an email with ‘Hope you are well?’. Only, they won’t let you know to your face that you’ve accidentally been too sharp or direct, or maybe that your joke wasn’t woke enough - no, that stuff just goes straight to HR.
2. The equality act 2010 makes it the employer’s responsibility to prevent sexual harassment in the workplace. Why wasn’t all this lewd stuff dealt with? GW said that no one had made a formal complaint. Again, it makes me wonder whether the middle class luvvies just didn’t want to call things out at the time because it’s ‘beneath’ them to even consider doing something about it.
3. Even though he’s apologised, the public doesn’t think that’s good enough. It’s like only perfect people get to keep their careers. Woe betide you if you said something crass on twitter 10 years ago, or got caught speeding or something.

Of course, lots of you would want to shout me down over this, but you know what? We’re all mums here and many of us have sons. Boys and young men do and say crass things. GW hasn’t raped or systematically abused anyone. It doesn’t make what’s happened right, but I also don’t think it’s right that swarms of pitch-fork waving strangers get to play judge, jury and executioner. I’m a big fan of forgiveness. Am I the only one?

'Forgiven' is the wrong approach. I wouldn't like to see him become some bitter old man and some kind of hero/martyr for ageing incels and misogynists though. I'd rather he talked to women and understood how objectionable his behaviour is.

Well - given that a number of women have already come forward to make similar allegations, that does sound like ‘serial abuse’ to me, @AlexP24.

‘Privileged tv luvvies’ have to suck it up because this man’s from ‘humble roots’

Whats that mumsnet word …🤔

Ah yes…..Batshit!!

You know what op, I used to work in theatre, from about 14 onwards, backstage/production - assistant dresser, followspot operator etc. I was flashed by a children's presenter who was in panto at the time. I was 15. I worked with the bolshoi ballet in wardrobe, and the male dancers would compete to see who could hit us in the face with their used jockstraps. I've been yelled at, humiliated, belittled and mocked by the 'talent', because we're just the plebs.

I didn't report it because I knew damned well no one would do a damned thing and I probably wouldn't get any work there again. Staying silent doesn't equal consent, approval, or forgiveness. It just means you know you've got no power, so what's the point?

I don't know whether I'm working or middle class (somewhere in between I think) but I can tell you EXACTLY the reason women in the media/tv/entertainment don't report this shit.

I've heard this POV so many times on the radio today 🤦🏾‍♀️

I wish people would read the list of allegations.

It's vile. He is in a workplace at the end of the day. No. Not all complaints have come from MasterChef. They come from several programmes.

Staff at one of his shows where he goes to a factory, complained about the way he spoke to people and their show got pulled.

He 'allegedly' walked round wearing nothing but a sock on his cock.

But it's just 'banter' innit from a workin' clahhs geezer. Women should just shut up.

Jesus fucking Christ. If a male in your life expects you to put up with stuff like this in your workplace, you need new males in your life.

Not sure who the whistle blower was tbh.
It had escalated over this past week and I'm sure much more may come out in time.

What class is John Barrowman?

I don't think it's a class issue.

I think it's a bellend issue.

Sorry, misread that altogether.

We are living through an epidemic of violence against women and girls in the UK. Northern Ireland has just been named the most dangerous place to be a woman in Europe. Women like you- apologists for misogynistic dicks like GW- are part of the issue. How about raise your sons to be decent human beings and respect women and not dehumanise them through crass, sexually explicit comments and 'jokes'? I'll be raising mine that way.
This graphic should help you understand why we have to stamp out misogynistic and sexist comments- if we don't we get the escalation up the triangle. You're at the bottom with your 'boys will be boys' bullshit normalising this crap.

Have you got a chip on your shoulder, OP, or just a serious inferiority complex?
Why the deference for the middle classes?
Why on earth do you want to emulate the middle class people around you?
and so what if they don't think you're 'nice' enough or have poor email etiquette?
Big whoop.
Your paranoia is your own to deal with.

Where's your working class pride?

I am from a working class family. The men in my family don't behave like Greg Wallace.
It has nothing to do with class, the only person making it about class is Greg Wallace.

I think GB News will find a slot for him. And maybe a column in the Spectator.
He'll still be quids in. And he'll still complain about being 'cancelled'.

The guy asked him for a retweet for a cancer charity. It's not money or a big favour. He (Gregg W) was a fucking dick.

Ah your user name takes me right back! 🤩

Obviously the OP is goady as fuck, but in the interest of debate...
I'm a middle class media luvvie, who has worked with Gregg in the past. To clarify, you think it's ok if I was to experience harassment in my workplace if it comes from a salt of the earth working class sex pest? I can't complain when that happens, because I'm middle class? And Gregg can't help walking around the workplace wearing only a sock on his penis because he is working class?

I don’t think he is being targeted because he is working class!

It sounds like he used his position of power to sexually harass women! That’s nothing to do with class at all!

Boys and young men do and say crass things
I have a dad, brothers, husband and many male friends. Absolutely none of them act in this way or do and say crass things. I'm a mum with a young son and I'd be absolutely ashamed if he behaved like this. If you're a mum with a son, it's your responsibility to ensure they are brought up to treat women with respect and dignity.

Women shouldn't expect to be treated like this because it's something "boys and men do" and we shouldn't just be excusing men behaving like this because of their gender.

I find it hard to believe this post was written by a woman.

If it was, then OP your standards are below basement-level and you have a frankly offensive view about the capabilities and self-control of working class men.

Sort yourself out.

I think it is the sheer relentlessness...have we learnt nothing from people who have committed suicide whilst being hounded relentlessly by the media. Everyone deserves a right of reply and a fair hearing. And the likes of Kirsty 'throw women under the bus when it suits' Allsop coming out helps no one.

We have trial by media, and it quite simply isn't fair. It helps no one.

I do not hope he is cancelled. I think most of the jokes are from more than a decade ago - they were jokes - yes rude jokes and as it happens men seem to tell them to each other regularly (although not all)

I mean I hate dirty jokes and would start to feel uneasy under certain scenarios

But if he has told 20 rude jokes in a 15 year career is that really that bad?

Not in my book.

Exactly..

Nah. Zero tolerance message is whats needed, no grey areas.. grey areas lead to people thinking certain things are okay sometimes.
None of it is okay.
Lets keep this momentum going of cancelling perverts, pedos and abusers.