Biden has pardoned his son because his conviction was a "miscarriage of justice".

[Cantalever]

Is this the total end of standards and even a pretence at integrity in public life? This is a president, who admittedly like all the others, allowed innocent people to be executed in their joke of a justice system. What a hypocrite.

It says a lot about the way American selects its presidential candidates. And the democrats if their voters didn’t realise Biden had stood aside. But blaming the voters for voting the wrong way is hardly democratic.

Like others I can see why, he’s old and leaving office, it won’t affect him personally for long and he’s lost multiple other children, and he probably doesn’t give a shit about making a good impression any more.

But it’s a terrible look and Hunter Biden is a right piece of work. It’s not like he’s a poor old basically decent guy who unfortunately ended up in prison after one bad decision. I don’t think I would do it even as the parent.

Yes, that they trusted a Trump more than Harris, despite this. Which is very damning of Harris.

It shows Biden lack of integrity. That Trump lacks integrity too means there are two presidents lacking integrity. It doesn’t cancel it out.

The thing is that all of it should be too bad for our leaders, but it’s not, because they keep doing this shit and people keep excusing it. Trump has done awful things but that should never excuse another who has done awful things, just because they’re not as awful.

This is what happens when we insist on having a goodie and a baddie and the choice is shit or shitter, the shit one is goodie because the shitter one is baddie. All of it needs to be called out, it’s all bad.

We saw it on here when Starmer accepted a load of gifts, some people wouldn’t here a word said against him and insisted it’s not a problem because they just can’t hear a word said against Labour. Why not just be fair and say it’s wrong but you still believe in him on the whole?

This annoys me every time someone misuses the context of this quotation to villify Thatcher. She said later:

they never quoted the rest. I went on to say: There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It’s our duty to look after ourselves and then to look after our neighbour. My meaning, clear at the time but subsequently distorted beyond recognition, was that society was not an abstraction, separate from the men and women who composed it, but a living structure of individuals, families, neighbours and voluntary associations.“

I agree with every word.

He is a dictator in waiting.

It's hard work having to do the right thing all the time, when your criminal opponent has used every weapon he can think of. I don't blame Biden at all.

No, as I said, I don’t think it’s damning of the candidate but rather of the voters.

Her not being a felon or rapist didn’t mean she had policies that people wanted. I think people voted for the republicans because they didn’t want Harris, I think they’d have voted for the republicans even if it wasn’t Trump.

Like here, people didn’t want Rishi so they voted Starmer as the best of the two, it doesn’t mean they wanted him, but they didn’t want Rishi and they did want a change to labour.

I couldn't give a fuck tbh. Given the criminal records of Trump and his appointees to cabinet posts, who cares if Biden does this. The norms of integrity in public life have been swept away, so why wouldn't Biden pardon his son.

This made me laugh. For "progressives"/lefties (whatever you want to call them)if the other side gets in (or brexit) it's because the voters are low info thickies. Of course when their side wins the voters have miraculously become more intelligent and informed again (????).

I love how people are trying to justify Crooked Biden doing this by saying the other side is just a s bad or worse.

What happened to you go low we go high and other such nonsense?

As the nuns at school used to say to us 'If she jumped off the pier would you jump in too??

Ooh Russian bot types putting the work in on this thread, using the tried and tested thEy'Re aLL tHe sAmE argument.

Abuse is generally understood to be physical, mental and or sexual abuse and may have serious legal repercussions.

None of this applies to this situation.

You calling Biden’s actions an abuse of power (which is an argument to be made) does not make this is a reasonable comparison.
You’re simply choosing to use a label that seems to (at least linguistically) strengthen your argument.

I don’t believe in Biden (or Starmer) on the whole so why would I say it?

I was responding to a post which explicitly asked what could be worse than what Biden is doing. A LOT could be worse than what Biden is doing and I gave some examples.

If BIDEN suddenly decides to spend the last days of his presidency freeing thr convicted Capitol Hill rioters, committing a few felons and the odd rape, THAT too would be infinitely worse than pardoning his good-for-nothing son. America has already got one incoming president who cleans up on that front though.

It wasn't the democrats. Any democrat interested in voting or not was aware Biden had stepped down and Kamala Harris, a black woman (though the orange menace would like to dispute even that) was running in his place.

If you're outraged by this...just wait til Trump pardons all the Jan 6th rioters.

But yes, he's saying exactly what Trump has said about the cases against him - it's a political stitch up. What a mess the US is at the moment.

No of course not, all Democrat voters are highly intelligent moral people, could only have been those dastardly Republican thickies.

But the other side - aka Trump, not the Democrats as a whole - is demonstrably worse. You can't get much worse than a rapist, serial sexual abuser of women and girls, inciter of insurrection, and an actual convicted felon,

Them voting for the Republicans if it hadn’t been Trump would have been fine.

In that situation, if I genuinely couldn’t bring myself to vote for Harris, I wouldn’t vote at all. Always an option. I just wouldn’t vote for a rapist and felon. The world has already seen how he responds to losing when in power.

Well, since the next president is a convicted felon who is happy to lie every time he opens his mouth, I assume Biden thought there was no reason not to pardon his son at this stage.

Right thing to do as a father I would say...

An actual felon? I thought it was a civil case?

Anyway, my point stands. You don't set your moral compass by what others do. Either you have integrity or you don't - and Biden doesn't.

By your metric Biden should commit a few rapes and felonies too whilst he has the chance.

Seriously, if Trump went public with as a cannibal, with a list of his favourite cannibal meals, there'd be people defending him here.

"Oh, there's always a goodie and a baddie with you simple souls! The man just likes his meat..."

By your metric Biden should commit a few rapes and felonies too whilst he has the chance

Nah. Trump’s got that angle covered.