Biden has pardoned his son because his conviction was a "miscarriage of justice".

[Cantalever]

Is this the total end of standards and even a pretence at integrity in public life? This is a president, who admittedly like all the others, allowed innocent people to be executed in their joke of a justice system. What a hypocrite.

Agree. Also people are giving way too much weight to Trump being a felon. Can they not see that to most Trump supporters - and many others too - the convictions appear politically motivated, just as Biden is saying his son’s was?

I am not saying I think this btw - just saying it’s easy to understand why the felony thing is not a big deal to many people, and it’s basically the same reasons why Hunter Biden’s conviction/pardon isn’t a big deal to many on the other side.

So all this “Well they elected a FELON so they clearly don’t care about integrity!” is not especially insightful.

Not in favour of democracy then?

Yes, an actual convicted felon, who most probably would be facing a jail term had he not been elected president.

In 2024, he was found guilty of falsifying business records, making him the first U.S. president to be convicted of a felony. He faced more felony indictments related to his interference in the 2020 election and his handling of classified documents, which were dismissed after the 2024 election.

What gives you that impression?

I didn’t say the voters shouldn’t be allowed to choose, simply that their choice says a lot about them.

This was a lot of words to say: no-one cares about integrity when it’s their own side displaying a lack of it.

This thread being proof.

@TheTidyBear
No, most men wouldn't sleep with children, stop conflating "younger women" with children. Most men are not rapists.

Also, just because you don't like my point that once you allow one Leader to be a law breaker the others have no necessity to follow any rules, doesn't make it a poor argument. It's the truth. I know that might seem unfashionable to you.

I was obviously talking about those who did defend Starmer and couldn’t have a bad word said about him as an example of people not being able to admit when the goodie does a bad thing,

Totally agree with this.
Dubious action or not, Hunter is Biden's only remaining child from his marriage to Neilia who met a tragic end with their one year old daughter.
Biden is very old, will presumably retire from politics after his presidency ends and will want to enjoy his retirement with all his family round him.
He can't fight Trump any more and he doesn't want to leave his son in the lions' den. I don't blame Biden at all for using what power he has left to save one of his nearest and dearest.
What is anyone going to do about it now?

Why are people saying ' Well Trump did?'

The US has a system which allows Presidents to subvert justice. Of course Presidents use it to subvert justice.

The problem is the system, not the individual President.

Trump Derangement Syndrome in full effect.

It was strange then to pick out my post to respond to then, surely?

It’s the system first and foremost, but a decent President would not exploit it.

Has there ever been a decent President? I don’t know, but it certainly isn’t either of these two.

Didn’t realise there was actually a technical term for people who don’t like rapists serving as presidents. 😀

In terms of the felony charge - this was for covering up payments made. A felony because he did it more than once (as a repeated payment). The equivalent in the UK might be a leading politician hiding thousands of pounds worths of personal donations, for example by calling them ‘office expenses’, and doing so more than once. Certain behaviour we should all condemn in our political leaders.

I’d like to see and end to doddery old men well past retirement age being able to run for president.

That would have spared the world either of these two.

@TheTidyBear

I love how people are trying to justify Crooked Biden doing this by saying the other side is just a s bad or worse
'Crooked Biden' 🤣
Straight from the orange bellend's X to Mumsnet

Don't blame Biden at all. There is no question that the vile, insane orange criminal would have gone HARD at him (and will on everyone he can) for purely malicious reasons. Absolutely the right thing to do for him to do. I hope he pardons as many people as he can at this stage 🤷‍♀️

Her not being a felon or rapist didn’t mean she had policies that people wanted. I think people voted for the republicans because they didn’t want Harris, I think they’d have voted for the republicans even if it wasn’t Trump
Voting for a republican candidate that wasn't Trump honestly wouldn't have been an issue. That so many condone his actions, which aren't in doubt, and were on board knowing what he was going to do, is what makes it so unbelievable. Voting for a rapist? And being ok with it. Gross
It makes me laugh when people insist that it wasn't because she is a woman. 100% the case that internalised misogyny played a massive role. That's the psychology of internalised misogyny dumbarses. It's subconscious 🙄

Yes, that does seem to be the case.

I can see that Biden would do this because it is his son and I understand the parent child bond and love, although I don’t agree with him doing it. However, I can’t understand others defending him for doing it when he’s a stranger to them. The democrats talk of fairness and justice, yet will defend Biden using ‘Trump is worse, as their argument. It’s not logical. Yes, Trump is terrible, but that’s irrelevant in this matter. This is a separate matter and Biden has behaved badly and shouldn’t be excused because Trump is so bad.

I don't think it really matters how bad Trump is in this case - Biden is wrong to pardon his son. This is abuse of power.

Of course. Almost everything about the way Trump has behaved both in and out of office is to be condemned. And I imagine his criminal behaviour extends far beyond the stuff that’s come to light.

Laughs in Stalin

This

“I would do it too” - maybe, but we hold the leader of the free world to a different standard than Sarah from Stoke-on-Trent. What you would do is irrelevant unless you’re in the running for the next presidency.

I think Biden Jr will wind up clapped in irons regardless unless he leaves the United States.

The pardon only covers the period between 2014-2024. Incoming will be digging for dirt on his exploits prior to 2014.

And if they can’t find anything, Trump can always set a precedent for being the first elected president to reverse a pardon made by his predecessor. That should warm the cold, dead hearts of his MAGAs.

Voting for a republican candidate that wasn't Trump honestly wouldn't have been an issue. That so many condone his actions, which aren't in doubt, and were on board knowing what he was going to do, is what makes it so unbelievable. Voting for a rapist? And being ok with it. Gross
It makes me laugh when people insist that it wasn't because she is a woman. 100% the case that internalised misogyny played a massive role. That's the psychology of internalised misogyny dumbarses. It's subconscious

I wouldn’t have voted for Harris because I thought she was an appalling public speaker and was far too woke for me. I’m definitely pro female leaders though, left wing too, just not too woke left. Not sure I’d have voted for Trump just to get less wokeness. My friends back in the US, some of whom voted for Trump, definitely don’t like him, but the economic policies of the republicans suit them so they would have voted republican regardless. They’d like to see a female republican president so nothing to do with not voting for women and it’s a lazy argument.