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To be shocked at the net migration figures currently being discussed

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Feelingathomenow · 28/11/2024 11:06

Yesterday’s figures discussed by the Tories stated that since 2010 the net migration figures to the UK has equalled the size of the population of Wales. Today we were told the figures to June 2023 showed a net migration figure of nearly 1 million for that year, for the year to June 2024 this had reduced to a mere 3/4 of a million. The numbers coming in of the boats per year alone is equal to a large town. AIBU to think this has to stop. We need to immediately crack down on people allowed into this country- limit it to urgently needed highly skilled jobs and start offshore processing (or similar) of the people who are here illegally (basically like many other countries).

We just can’t cope with those numbers. - no wonder our infrastructure is collapsing, we have a housing crisis etc.

I want to hear from the government how they are going to tackle it. We have heard from the Tories now it is over to Starmer.

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MoMhathair · 28/11/2024 16:30

Anyone who says Britain wasn't built on migration is a total moron.

Of course it was built on migration! How is it possible for it not to have been????
Do people seriously think a group of humans got here at some point in history and that was it, no one else came and added to the population. How the actual fuck would that work?? Is that why everyone is so stupid, they're all incredibly inbred?!

Just for context 750,000 Irish people came to UK between 1845 and 1855. A cookie for anyone who knows why.

Alicecatto · 28/11/2024 16:30

WestwardHo1 · 28/11/2024 16:27

If 900,000 people came here legally between 2022 and 2023, is there any data telling us the number of them who had skills which allowed them to get a job and start contributing right away? Compared to how many came up over as dependents and who might never be able or allowed to work and contribute?

It's a genuine question.

Migration Observatory/Unviersity of Oxford is helpful in answering these questions.

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrants-in-the-uk-an-overview/

WestwardHo1 · 28/11/2024 16:30

Alicecatto · 28/11/2024 16:30

Migration Observatory/Unviersity of Oxford is helpful in answering these questions.

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrants-in-the-uk-an-overview/

Thank you.

Naunet · 28/11/2024 16:32

Littlemissgobby · 28/11/2024 16:20

So you don't think that we had Vikings, or the Romans, or other people that came over here? Of course, we've got immigration that came over here a wind rush, because we did need immigrants to help build this country

Sorry, you think this country was 'founded' by Vikings and Romans?! How does that work then? Are you also calling Roman invaders, immigrants, because that's one hell of a rebrand?

1dayatatime · 28/11/2024 16:33

@cardibach

"Claiming asylum isn’t illegal. "

True but entering the UK without leave (a passport or equivalent) is illegal under section 24 (B1) of the Immigration Act 1971 which states that person who a) requires leave to enter the United Kingdom and, b) knowingly enters the UK without such leave, commits an offence.

Gilead · 28/11/2024 16:33

Angela Eagle was on LBC today, discussing the problem.

SuzieNine · 28/11/2024 16:33

footballmum25 · 28/11/2024 16:28

your missing the point. those jobs can still be don’t by migrants. it’s people whoa
re here illegally that are the problem

A lot of people have a problem with those who are here legally, thinking that they contribute to wage depression and housing pressure as they form the overwhelming majority of migrants.

Feelingathomenow · 28/11/2024 16:33

WestwardHo1 · 28/11/2024 16:17

Impact on the countryside? Only 6.2% of land in England is taken up by homes and gardens. The reason it feels so packed is that we don't have access to most of our land.

Respectfully, this is such a hollow argument. Enormous areas of the UK are not suitable for building anything on, let alone homes. Large areas of the country are upland, or flood plains, or steep valleys. We know what happens when large numbers of houses are built on river or coastal flood plains. We are already seeing what environmental effects happen after unwise house building, namely flooding. We need to be investing huge sums of money into flood defences as things are at the moment, let alone if we start building on areas which soak up water. Look at just the last few days in the UK and how many people have been flooded out.

Similarly (and ironically) water provision is a massive problem. We saw two years ago what unlimited demand on a finite resource results in, with the hot summer of 2022. Here in Cornwall, for example, where we lack aquifers, drought restrictions weren't lifted until autumn 2023 iirc. And this is a relatively lightly populated area.

Exactky - and in future it’s likely that we will increasingly need to be self sufficient with food, where’s that going to be grown. We need the countryside for the bio diversity which is needed to make this island inhabitable. We actually need more biodiversity, reintroducing beavers will help with flooding if they help control water flow off high ground. We need more areas of forests to help with co2. Etc etc not to mention the mental health benefits of the countryside.

We can’t cope with all the sewage as it is and our seas are routinely not fit for swimming.

When I see ill informed comments about the amount of spare land we have it reminds me how cut off from nature many people are.

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BG2015 · 28/11/2024 16:33

My friend works at our local university, she says there is a problem with many people arriving here from overseas to 'study' they then disappear and never actually finish their course.

Never to be heard from again. Where are all of those students?

She says the government have had to limit numbers from overseas into our universities because they are using it as an excuse to move over here.

Naunet · 28/11/2024 16:34

MoMhathair · 28/11/2024 16:30

Anyone who says Britain wasn't built on migration is a total moron.

Of course it was built on migration! How is it possible for it not to have been????
Do people seriously think a group of humans got here at some point in history and that was it, no one else came and added to the population. How the actual fuck would that work?? Is that why everyone is so stupid, they're all incredibly inbred?!

Just for context 750,000 Irish people came to UK between 1845 and 1855. A cookie for anyone who knows why.

Ahh so now we're classing cave people as immigrants! How can you be an immigrant if the country didn't exist at that point? That's not immigration, that's migration.

Feelingathomenow · 28/11/2024 16:35

Naunet · 28/11/2024 16:32

Sorry, you think this country was 'founded' by Vikings and Romans?! How does that work then? Are you also calling Roman invaders, immigrants, because that's one hell of a rebrand?

Thanks that’s made my day.

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Lampzade · 28/11/2024 16:35

Littlemissgobby · 28/11/2024 16:19

I think what you were saying it was that if we do not debate it, then it pushes everybody to the far right? But I disagree with that stance, I think, yes, possibly politicians do need to debate it more because the far right do control the narrative, but I think under our press. There is too much misinformation that people are being led to blame immigrants on rather than look at the fact that we've had a lack of infrastructure for decades. The levelling up That was promised didn't happen? So in poorer areas, they assume in, it's the immigration fault, where actually some of these immigrants. Are actually contributing to the economy

Totally agree with this
Successive governments have done very little to improve the infrastructure
For example, the failure to invest in social housing is the main reason for the shortage of affordable housing
The immigrants get all the blame though.
Successive Tory governments have deliberately delayed the processing of asylum claims and preferred to blame ‘illegal’ immigration for the problems we face
As others have pointed out, someone seeking asylum is not an illegal immigrant until their application has been refused
Some posters really need to do their research before posting

PlopSofa · 28/11/2024 16:36

Littlemissgobby · 28/11/2024 16:14

I watched about businesses in Florida, where it is literally booming for the economy under Biden. People keep saying that Donald Trump is really good for the economy. Actually, quite the opposite. The economy is booming under Biden, and they are using these migrants to help build these massive infrastructure. Erm, apartment blocks, so if that goes and that's going to hook up the employment, and it's going to f* up the business, I don't think these small minded people realize this

I completely agree.

Theyre going to make life very painful for the average America.

I do believe it’s USA’s Brexit moment voting him in again.

What the DOGE ripping up of the civil service is going to do, where they fire 50% of the workforce on day one, Argentinian style, well this is going to set fire to America.

If he does even half of what he says he will do, it’s going to be very tumultuous.

And yes Biden has invested in huge public and green projects, which will only come to fruition when Trump is in power…

Amd the real reason for all this global inflation?

Trump spent 6.2 TRILLION during covid to prop up the stock market and the banks.

We’re still living that legacy of such vast quantities pumped into the financial system.

He broke America and the rest of the world while he was at it and yet this man is feted and fawned over.

MoMhathair · 28/11/2024 16:37

Naunet · 28/11/2024 16:34

Ahh so now we're classing cave people as immigrants! How can you be an immigrant if the country didn't exist at that point? That's not immigration, that's migration.

What?? I genuinely don't understand what you mean. Do you mean that unless you're related to the very first people who ever walked the land in Britain, you're not British?

MzHz · 28/11/2024 16:37

Heatherbell1978 · 28/11/2024 12:48

I agree. My boomer parents talk about them like they're sub-human rather than a person who works and contributes to a society. Likewise my FIL who lives in Spain leaching off their health service whilst contributing nothing but hates immigrants.

The daily mail.

ConstanceM · 28/11/2024 16:38

UK born young people, who become Neets, are mostly living off mum or dad. They are watching tik toc videos & aspire to be a influencer or on Love Island as a career. They do not want to help the old folks in nursing homes and they don't want to pick fruit, they don't want to learn a trade and they don't want to leave home cos the real world frightens them. Until the UK born youth get real and realise they aren't going to be famous we will continue to rely on migrant labour. Don't blame the migrants, blame Da Yuff.

Doijb · 28/11/2024 16:39

We’re a bloody island. The mishandling is shocking.

I feel for anyone seeking a better quality of living but this country is on its knees.

Go look at our state run care homes, you will be appalled. MANY of the men and women who paid into the system are downright being neglected. If not worse.

Naunet · 28/11/2024 16:39

MoMhathair · 28/11/2024 16:37

What?? I genuinely don't understand what you mean. Do you mean that unless you're related to the very first people who ever walked the land in Britain, you're not British?

Nope, I'm saying migration and immigration are not the same thing.

TheDisgustingBrothers · 28/11/2024 16:39

quoque · 28/11/2024 16:09

@TheDisgustingBrothers Yes - 10% of them.

"There were 89,095 ‘Health and Care Worker’ visas granted to main applicants in the year ending June 2024, a 26% decrease compared to the previous year."

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-june-2024/why-do-people-come-to-the-uk-to-work

It used to be higher but the Tories changed it so that they couldn't bring their families and the numbers dropped off.

Edited

I’m guessing the other 90% weren’t as willing to ‘train’ for care roles like PP suggested then. 👀

MoMhathair · 28/11/2024 16:40

Naunet · 28/11/2024 16:39

Nope, I'm saying migration and immigration are not the same thing.

Ok, could you explain?

kinkytoes · 28/11/2024 16:41

YANBU OP

Invite the world in until we have no countryside left to build on, and by then I won't even want to be here.

It's fucking depressing.

Fluufer · 28/11/2024 16:42

Doijb · 28/11/2024 16:39

We’re a bloody island. The mishandling is shocking.

I feel for anyone seeking a better quality of living but this country is on its knees.

Go look at our state run care homes, you will be appalled. MANY of the men and women who paid into the system are downright being neglected. If not worse.

They'd be a lot more neglected without all the migrants working in the care homes....

gloriagloria · 28/11/2024 16:42

footballmum25 · 28/11/2024 16:28

your missing the point. those jobs can still be don’t by migrants. it’s people whoa
re here illegally that are the problem

But that proportion is tiny. The vast proportion of migrants are here as students or recruited to do a specific job, with 11% asylum seekers (which includes nearly all "boat people". It's now very difficult to manage in the current economy as an illegal migrant - you can't work legally, can't rent a room, can't claim benefits, can't use the health system etc.

Naunet · 28/11/2024 16:42

MoMhathair · 28/11/2024 16:40

Ok, could you explain?

What do you need explained?

braaaiiins · 28/11/2024 16:43

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