To be shocked at the net migration figures currently being discussed

[Feelingathomenow]

Yesterday’s figures discussed by the Tories stated that since 2010 the net migration figures to the UK has equalled the size of the population of Wales. Today we were told the figures to June 2023 showed a net migration figure of nearly 1 million for that year, for the year to June 2024 this had reduced to a mere 3/4 of a million. The numbers coming in of the boats per year alone is equal to a large town. AIBU to think this has to stop. We need to immediately crack down on people allowed into this country- limit it to urgently needed highly skilled jobs and start offshore processing (or similar) of the people who are here illegally (basically like many other countries).

We just can’t cope with those numbers. - no wonder our infrastructure is collapsing, we have a housing crisis etc.

I want to hear from the government how they are going to tackle it. We have heard from the Tories now it is over to Starmer.

I think you need to look at the numbers that come in legally and outstay their welcome. These there the ones that Badenoch was on about, not necessarily the ones she had in mind when looking to offshore them.

You then need to look at WHY the boat people come. The people from Eritrea, Sudan, Somalia, Afghanistan, Syria....can you see a pattern?

So, all these men - and there are women and children that come who are looking to get out and get settled.... The UK, incidentally needs to take its share like the Germans, French, Belgians, Spanish, Italians do.

So getting back to Badenoch, until everything that's not nailed down can be automated we need people to do all the jobs that people in the UK won't do. And how do they propose to sort that out? Got any suggestions??

Impact on the countryside? Only 6.2% of land in England is taken up by homes and gardens. The reason it feels so packed is that we don't have access to most of our land.

Respectfully, this is such a hollow argument. Enormous areas of the UK are not suitable for building anything on, let alone homes. Large areas of the country are upland, or flood plains, or steep valleys. We know what happens when large numbers of houses are built on river or coastal flood plains. We are already seeing what environmental effects happen after unwise house building, namely flooding. We need to be investing huge sums of money into flood defences as things are at the moment, let alone if we start building on areas which soak up water. Look at just the last few days in the UK and how many people have been flooded out.

Similarly (and ironically) water provision is a massive problem. We saw two years ago what unlimited demand on a finite resource results in, with the hot summer of 2022. Here in Cornwall, for example, where we lack aquifers, drought restrictions weren't lifted until autumn 2023 iirc. And this is a relatively lightly populated area.

It doesn’t matter. We need to cut back on that too

The "boat people" are a very small part of that number, though still large and worrying enough, given it's mainly young men from countries where women are not respected and they are not being given anything useful to do once here.

Net migration is also up because British passport holders cannot leave after Brexit - one part of the jigsaw that the politicians are too weak to deal with.

What utter utter rubbish.

No it wasn't, we're not America! 😂

Thank fuck!

I think what you were saying it was that if we do not debate it, then it pushes everybody to the far right? But I disagree with that stance, I think, yes, possibly politicians do need to debate it more because the far right do control the narrative, but I think under our press. There is too much misinformation that people are being led to blame immigrants on rather than look at the fact that we've had a lack of infrastructure for decades. The levelling up That was promised didn't happen? So in poorer areas, they assume in, it's the immigration fault, where actually some of these immigrants. Are actually contributing to the economy

... because, of course, ALL British men do.

If we've got our own, home-grown sexists, why on earth would we wish to import more?

As i pointed out, which you seem to have missed, net migration has hovered around 200k, inc under Labour, thats a far cry from 900k

Claiming asylum isn’t illegal.
People who say this aren’t really worth discussing with at this point as the6 are clearly ignoring obvious facts, but the hotel will have ‘closed’ to take asylum seekers because it’s more profitable. At our expense. Because Tories wouldn’t process claims.

So you don't think that we had Vikings, or the Romans, or other people that came over here? Of course, we've got immigration that came over here a wind rush, because we did need immigrants to help build this country

As other posters have pointed out most of the immigration is legal migration.
The UK has an ageing population and therefore the number of care homes and therefore care workers has increased. Who do you think does these jobs?
immigrants from countries such as Nigeria and the Philippines .
In addition , universities are in dire straits and need international students in order to survive.
Many international students are paying three times more than UK students
The number crossing the channel by boat is a dip in the ocean ( excuse the pun) in comparison to the legal immigrants

You do realise that people who come from other countries are actual humans, which means that some are lazy and some are not? You surely can't be stupid enough to think that because you know of a couple of people who want to take advantage of the system, everyone is like that? Can you see how stupid that is?

And how are we going to staff our health and social services without extensive net migration? My DD words in a residential social care setting. Most staff are migrants - Brazilians, East and Southern Africans, Russians etc. The pay is well over the minimum wage for a job which you can do with no specific qualifications (she doing it as a gap year as an 18-year-old with no prior experience). It's a really nice place to work and offers excellent training and career progression but they just can't get staff - there are no school leavers there at all.

Your own family disproves your idea then?
Immigration - Romans, Saxons, vikings, Normans, etc etc
The original native population was Brythonic.

So only white people can be british? Bit weird to check the passports of people at the park, unless you actually mean that people who aren’t white use the park.

And then they went home

No they didn't really many vikings stayed here so did mmay Romans and many Windrush didn't

YABU. I worked for years in hospitality. First, barely any English people applied for jobs and when they did they demanded they worked 9-5 mon-fri… so when you want to go to the pub in the evening or for a meal on the weekend who is going to work? As soon as the sun peeked or there was a bank holiday (do I need to say bank holidays are the busiest days in the industry?) they were the first (and only ones) to call in sick. There are so many jobs that are done by immigrants and not desired by English people!

@genesis92

"The problem is that mass unskilled migration just lowers wages in these types of jobs. If people are paid enough, they will do these jobs"

The other problem is that the existing 9 million economically inactive are then effectively being written off or dismissed as unemployable which is really not good for the cohesion of society to have 22% of the 16-64 population abandoned.

It's also economic folly for taxpayers to be paying for the 9 million to be economically inactive when if employers upped the hourly rate they would be engaged in the workforce.

If 900,000 people came here legally between 2022 and 2023, is there any data telling us the number of them who had skills which allowed them to get a job and start contributing right away? Compared to how many came up over as dependents and who might never be able or allowed to work and contribute?

It's a genuine question.

your missing the point. those jobs can still be don’t by migrants. it’s people whoa
re here illegally that are the problem

The Romans? Nowhere near all of them. Certainly not the Saxons or Vikings or Normans.

Anglo Saxons were Germanics who stayed. If you look at settlements where I live, the ending of BY indicates Viking...lots of Viking genes in the mix. Did the French go home too in the Norman invasion?