To be shocked at the net migration figures currently being discussed

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Yesterday’s figures discussed by the Tories stated that since 2010 the net migration figures to the UK has equalled the size of the population of Wales. Today we were told the figures to June 2023 showed a net migration figure of nearly 1 million for that year, for the year to June 2024 this had reduced to a mere 3/4 of a million. The numbers coming in of the boats per year alone is equal to a large town. AIBU to think this has to stop. We need to immediately crack down on people allowed into this country- limit it to urgently needed highly skilled jobs and start offshore processing (or similar) of the people who are here illegally (basically like many other countries).

We just can’t cope with those numbers. - no wonder our infrastructure is collapsing, we have a housing crisis etc.

I want to hear from the government how they are going to tackle it. We have heard from the Tories now it is over to Starmer.

This is why you should have voted for Farage, the only government with the guts to do it.

we have enough low skilled people. We have enough PEOPLE.

The problem in my town is that there are too many people from the North of England coming here. As far as I know they are not coming because they are being persecuted so they must be just economic migrants. I cant get a taxi or a deliveroo without the driver having a weird northern accent. The South Of England is full up, deport them back to Northern land. They do not fit culturally , prefer Oasis to Blur and I am fed up with them

Agree about east London I have visited Bengali homes where the girls are actively
discouraged from seeking work and pushed in to marriage in their early 20s, cousins are bought over from Sylhet who cannot speak English or in many cases even read or write. The role of the women is to produce children. The benefit bill , cost to social services etc is huge and I really can’t believe the wider benefit to society is that great even if some do work.

Ah, you've forgotten, it's been an ongoing trend, going upwards for many years...

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/mar/24/how-immigration-came-to-haunt-labour-inside-story

neither party has controlled it.

The Conservatives changed the visa and student rules. We have jobs we cannot fill from our own population. Sometimes we have skill shortages in certain areas but these can be in areas where housing is expensive so we have an mis match. If jobs were filled by those already here, we would not need immigrants. However we prefer to listen to farage and his ilk,

Those are the net figures. That is, the difference between those arriving and those leaving.

We should be encouraging people to have more children, but they aren't cause young people can't afford homes or to bring up children anymore. Largely because of detrimental effects of mass immigration...

What do you see as British values?

I don't think not stopping at Zebra crossings has anything to do with immigration.

I think we need more nuanced debate.

Students who are paying for course and subsiding UK students whose numbers have fallen in recent years increasing uni funding issues.

NHS workers - we need them or we need to train more ourselves - or likely both or we won't have enough.

I know we need workers - as birth rate is falling but have seen arguments that mass migration depresses birth rates further as resources get spread round more people and wages are depressed.

We have a housing crisis - we had one before in UK and we started building more and council houses started up over decades and multiple governments we got to point it worked well for bulk of population and then we started selling off the council stock and few decades later we are back where we started. Same with NHS older population and medical advances mean more demand.

Our native born population is falling - we have hit or are about to hit more deaths than births - yet our population is every rising due to immigration - which means higher house prices due to demand every increasing and supply not and more pressure on services - we could build and pay more but that's not popular either.

We need some immigration - we need investment in our infrastructure - historically we've done well with immigrants but I'm not sure that means we need the current high levels but then I'm not convinced we don't either - I'd like more facts and light less sound and fury in whole debate.

This isn’t a leftie thing. It’s about a system of exploitation designed by a bunch of right wingers because they don’t fancy making investments in British people, the schools, the housing, the wages, and the standards of living. This was wanted post Brexit. It was designed post Brexit by Tories. And the ones that couldn’t work as asylum seekers, put them up in hotels where the owners get public money.

Who benefits? It’s not most of us, is it?

@TheDisgustingBrothers Yes - 10% of them.

"There were 89,095 ‘Health and Care Worker’ visas granted to main applicants in the year ending June 2024, a 26% decrease compared to the previous year."

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-june-2024/why-do-people-come-to-the-uk-to-work

It used to be higher but the Tories changed it so that they couldn't bring their families and the numbers dropped off.

And wait until you see what Donald Trump does in the USA...

Estimated to cost over 1 TRILLION dollars but he's going to try and procure mass deportations.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/18/trump-military-mass-deportation

Do you think the million arrivals are going to do those low skill jobs? Or nicely happy having an indefinite paid-for rest at Travelodge ?

Is it conspiracy to think that the view is to bring in more and more Labour voters? More more union-dues payers?

And not more and more low skill workers to do the jobs Brit’s don’t want to do?? That’s been the excuse for 20+ years now …. How many pickers do we need - is it over 9 million now? All the jobs listed are the new minimum wage, and the extra NI for employers.

So bring in the literal rafts of minimum wage workers, with low educational attainment, to deliver food to those higher up on the benefits food chain? Just a huge population of low earners with employers paying the NI??? Our glorious economy?

Well, quite but 'safety' isn't the reason EVERY migrant travels far from home. Economics is, quite often, the driver and I don't believe any one human has the right to tell any other where they can and cannot roam to seek a better life for themselves or their families on that score.

Also, yes, we're animals but we possess the intelligence to recognise that our methods of controlling borders clearly isn't working against the will and endurance of humans who wish to settle elsewhere than their 'homeland'. Our civilised societies appear to begin to crumble when swelled in numbers deemed 'too great' to accommodate - which is always an arbitrary concept because I don't think there's ever been a number given to suggest when the UK will be 'full' (like a car park).

For all our intelligence, we're not actively seeking any answers to problems beyond the forceful rejection of other human beings.

Minimum wage at least should be offered.

@ExtraOnions
This has always been my argument. Even when unemployed myself! Used to have lively discussion with my ex hairdresser who moaned about 'Polish: people picking fruit and veg. Errrr how many English people would do that? Not me for a start!

However, I do see a need to try to cut down the numbers (just don't ask how I would do that. This is why I would never be an MP!!!)

So you don't want people to call people racist when they are posting racist stuff. I understand people might be scared about immigration and even can have a possible debate. I don't think everybody's to the far right? That has a debate about it, but the truth is, you are even saying yourself that the far right in Europe and you think that's acceptable. Do you think that's acceptable? Do you think people like Nigel? Farage are acceptable. Maybe they're the ones that are pushing this narrative. Maybe the point is, we have got so much influence from the right. That's pushing this really anti-immigrant rhetoric, and maybe people don't realise subconsciously, they're being pushed something that's really wrong.

@Moonlightstars
I don't understand the obsession with borders or fearing otherness. It has always been like this though.

let me enlighten you then, from my point of view and from my fears. I'm a free woman. I can walk in the open with the sun on my face and the wind blowing in my hair. I can talk to men if I want to. my parents won't force me to marry a second cousin. There are many more reasons, but this is for starters

Not everybody is eligible to, have you checked their criteria?

I watched about businesses in Florida, where it is literally booming for the economy under Biden. People keep saying that Donald Trump is really good for the economy. Actually, quite the opposite. The economy is booming under Biden, and they are using these migrants to help build these massive infrastructure. Erm, apartment blocks, so if that goes and that's going to hook up the employment, and it's going to f* up the business, I don't think these small minded people realize this

Agree
Im not sure how MPs / the Govn can literally force people into work.

however during the pandemic many people applied to pick fruit and veg and yet were turned down by farmers because they had no experience.!!? In reality They just wanted to continue with their low paid workforces.

So because they are not white you are assuming they can’t be British????

Asylum seekers are 11% of all migrants, and about a third of those arrive on small boats. Not huge numbers nationally, but I understand how their concentration in particular areas can be problematic while they are being processed. The majority will be granted asylum and become productive members of society. Surely the main thing to do is speed up processing so those granted asylum can get on with their lives here and those who are not can be repatriated.

At our hospital we get a lot of deliveroo etc drivers who obvs came from somewhere else -quite a few from Brazil actually but also from the Middle East. Sadly they have hardly any English. Anyone who thinks that is not a problem should deal with them every night trying to ask the same question over and over - miming "Do they need to pay?" "Do they need a code?" (for vapes and stuff.) Also , a lot of them will not speak to women. The receptionists are all women, though by 8pm, the porters take over.

You have completely and totally misunderstood in a such a breath-taking manner, that I can only think your lack of comprehension must be wilful.