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To think that this week, as court decides what the legal definition of a woman is, that the Scottish Government (and others) aren't fit for purpose?

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WandsOut · 26/11/2024 08:25

The meaning of what a woman is, is supposedly being hammered out in court this week.
How many of you know we are being reclassified this week?

"If the Supreme Court rules that a man can become a woman because he declares it to be so - and vice versa - then the sex-based protections provided by the Equality Act will become meaningless.
After all, how does one protect - or even begin to consider - the rights of women if to be a woman is nothing more than a feeling?"
www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/crucial-legal-battle-over-the-definition-of-a-woman-is-one-for-our-bizarre-times-euan-mccolm-4880056

You can watch the shitshow here
m.youtube.com/@UKSupremeCourt/videos

Live tribunal tweets here tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/for-women-scotland-vs-the-lord-advocate

YANBU - To think that this week, as court decides what the legal definition of a woman is, that the Scottish Government aren't fit for purpose and neither is anyone else in senior positions who can't understand why biology is important.

YABU - Gender identity is more important than the sex based rights of women. Woman is an idea and anyone can identify as one.

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Needanewname42 · 28/11/2024 12:21

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/11/2024 11:20

If anyone interested in watching, the video replay is now up:

www.supremecourt.uk/cases/uksc-2024-0042.html

I'll watch this later - thankyou 😊

Brefugee · 28/11/2024 13:20

MovingCrib · 28/11/2024 11:55

I've been reading tweets about it and I think Parkrun might fall under the EA on this

Parkrun used to (do they still?) get money from Sport England with the specific intent of increasing women's participation in sport.

TBH Parkrun need to get over themselves and either: just give everybody a time and just publish them in alphabetical order (or only inform the individual runner) or admit they are allowing men into the women's category (since i assume they are not checking GRC/Birth certificate status). And then we can all stop pretending it's OK / Not OK (delete as applicable according to your views)

Benmac · 28/11/2024 13:36

The Scottish government is entirely unfit for purpose. Would love Holyrood to be disbanded. The money wasted on this glorified town council could be repurposed to actual deal with the real issues Scotland faces.

borntobequiet · 28/11/2024 13:40

You are perfectly correct, and not BU at all.

WandsOut · 28/11/2024 21:05

And all the time through all of this the ironic thing is NO ONE ACTUALLY BELIEVES MEN CAN BECOME WOMEN.

Not one of the people making this judgement believe a man can become a woman. And yet they are deliberating it, sleeping on it, pondering it.

This gender nonsense is now making the law lie.
Swear on oath?
Lies.

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WandsOut · 30/11/2024 10:44

www.newstatesman.com/comment/2024/11/scottish-government-is-ignoring-womens-rights

"Two things stood out as I followed the case on day two: that women (in Scotland in particular), were being gaslit by the Scottish government; and lesbians were, in effect, being told by the Scottish government that they were no longer protected in law according to their sexual orientation. By virtue of a legal piece of paper, it was argued, a “heterosexual male” could become a lesbian woman overnight. These were the words of Scottish government lawyers."

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Rudicoolcat · 30/11/2024 11:07

MistressoftheDarkSide · 26/11/2024 15:23

This is such a primeval fight, isn't it? And bewildering given we live in the 21st century with all it's accrued knowledge and scientific progress.

If at this point we are having to legally debate what constitutes "woman", then why not man? Or even human? It's the very definition of "the lunatics taking over the asylum" (and I say that with no disrespect to people with mental health issues, of whom I have been one, but of all the madness circulating in my brain at that time, biological nuance was not on the damn list).

I honestcannot quite grasp that the world I was a teenager in, and then a young woman, while not perfect in many ways, was more progressive and hopeful than the one we now live in. The regression I see across the board at 55 is far beyond my understanding apparently, far beyond my "lady brain".

I wonder if the collective subconscious will always be intent on punishing all women because a man wrote that Eve bit an apple and committed the worst transgression ever - seeking knowledge and progress despite being told No by a patriarchal entity (allegedly). Along with freedom from reproductive oppression and legal autonomy down the line.

The current manifestation of this is evolutionary psychology, quackery of the highest order espoused by psychologists at one end and misogynists at the other. The irony of course is that those championing these stupid ideas claim to be on our side and invite us to sup with devil.

When we refuse to capitulate, out come the cattle prods on both sides. It's uncomfortable being crushed between a rock and a hard place, being pitted against each other on a human level and feeling that there are no winners other than those rubbing their hands as they create the "rainbow pound".

Do I sound unhinged? Possibly I am. Once I might be snidely accused of being at the mercy of menstrual vagaries, but I'm past that now, so am I a withered bitter crone?

I'm securing my place in the handbasket, ready to go down fighting for women's rights, which are simply human rights, or should be. I just hope hell is warmer than this.

Last night husband and I watched Life of Brian.... Stan wanting to be Loretta is a clip that we thought just about sums up the madness today.

A recent payslip i received had a public notice attached, encouraging "people with a cervix" to ensure they have regular smear tests. So now I'm a person with a cervix and not a woman.... 😶

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