To ask if people today don’t agree with ivf?!

[Yaerry]

or am I just naive? Watched the new documentary about Jean Purdy and I’m surprised there was so much push back at the time. It’s made me wonder if one day surrogacy will be more accepted? I thought ivf was just a standard thing now that wasn’t controversial.

I don't agree with donor sperm or eggs.

If its gay friends as long at the Father is listed on the birth cert and will have an input I don't have much issue with it. Children should know who they are genetically related too.

They shouldn't hit 18 and be faffing on genes websites trying to find who they are related too.
Even if they know and are OK with being from donor sperm or eggs. They might not be ok with their kids or grandkids knowing that info or them tracking genetic family.
I just feel it could cause tons of upset.

There was a massive thread on here might have been a troll but not beyond possible.
F/F have a baby with M/M couple.
The legal parents are the F/F.

The child is passed between both couples.
Then both couples spilt the child is then getting passed between four houses.
And they wondered why the kid was playing up?

Based on what though? Actual concrete statistical evidence or just a hunch? There are some pretty wild claims on here and very little to back them up.

IVF using the father’s sperm and mother’s egg, carried by the mother — fine. Surrogacy should be banned. It is unethical on so many points. Removing a baby from its birth mother is disgraceful. I cannot fathom such a thing, and cannot imagine growing up knowing my mother gave me up for money, or donated eggs for me to exist then not be in my life. My father was a sperm donor, and I have been troubled by this my whole life. It feels so anonymous. A mother would sting so, so much more. Sometimes, people can think they’re doing a good service but if the children that result end up suffering, is it?

It’s not really necessary to ‘fix’ the cause of infertility if a couple go on to successfully have child(ren) via IVF. The purpose of the reproductive system is to reproduce. Improving the quality of sperm in the case of male factor infertility for example, would be entirely irrelevant to day to day life unless they were trying to have children. And given limitations in trying to diagnose in order to ‘fix’ in some cases (it’s a bit trial and error in my experience) or limited fixes available (is it even possible to unblock a fallopian tube?) it makes sense to focus on the overriding the issues via IVF.

We had IVF due to DH’s sperm issues but it turns out I also had really poor eggs, which didn’t appear on any tests but proven when all embryos failed to reach blastocyst stage at day 5 in my first round. (With a different partner with normal sperm, I expect fertility issues would have been ‘unexplained’.) We only got one NHS round, so when it failed we took all the notes to a private clinic who adjusted the drug protocol and now we have our DD. We never had to think about destroying embryos because there were never any spare.

Re. surrogacy and egg donors (and sperm donors): There is countless evidence to suggest that those born out of donors face lifelong trauma, haunted by their origins. I wish people would consider that rather than their own desire to have children. No matter how good a parent you may be, your child is likely to struggle with this growing up. Speaking from experience. They will always know one or both of their biological parents did not want them.

There has been a lot in the media about the ethical issues with all of these procedures. Some I remember are the fertility doctor who used his own sperm in thousands of women. Children conceived by sperm donor who are finding they are one of many, many kids from the same guy. There is a racist element too where it was found some men were labelled as white when they were not and some people who requested a baby from a specific ethnic background were given sperm from a white man.

There’s plenty of research that suggests newborns are traumatised. They often even go into psychological collapse, when they cry for their mothers and they don’t come.
Certainly, also, not all adoptees who were given up as newborns are affected to the same degree, but there are plenty of people who knew something was off and that feeling only began to make sense when they found out about the adoption.

This is not factually true. Many of us produce very few embryos and have to have many cycles of ivf without any embryos at all to freeze.

Well these are obviously all horrible cases but they are thankfully historic. Sperm donation is far better regulated now and donors can only donate to a finite number of families. They are also genetically screened and contactable.

I don't think randomly buying sperm off Facebook is a great idea but that's not what most people are doing. Friends who have gone down the donor route have spent a few grand a vial.

Please point to/ link to this research and does it pertain to newborns born via surrogates or adopted babies?

So we should not treat injury or disease caused by smoking, drinking, taking drugs, cycling, driving, skiing, skating etc?

Type II diabetes? Lifestyle choices.
Cirrhosis due to alcohol. Lifestyle choices.
High blood pressure? Life style choices.
Some cancers. Lifestyle choices.

Personally, I don't think there's a 'right' to have children, nor does the planet need any more humans, therefore I disagree with ivf and surrogacy, whether publicly or privately funded.

I particularly disagree with women who get ivf as a single parent. I would absolutely hate to be the progeny of a single woman and an unknown father.

I always wanted to donate my eggs (turns out through multiple rounds of ivf to conceive my own children that my eggs aren’t that great so I couldnt) but I’m not sure why you get to tell me I can’t? Surely it’s my body? Being a mother was beyond a doubt - the single most important thing to me - and I always wanted to help women who felt similarly.

Was I aware of the risks? Yes - but I’ve always struggled with the idea that I should avoid risk if that means avoiding helping someone (particularly as I knew all too well that infertility can well be life or death for some people)

Those people are likely to be in physical pain without treatment so withholding that would be unethical. If your only health problem is not being able to have bio kids, it's not comparable.

Yes it's your body, but you don't mention anywhere the feelings of the potential child who might be created by your eggs. It's not all about you.

I'm pro life so I disagree with embryos being discarded after IVF takes place. Don't disagree with IVF itself. The thought of making babies in a lab is a bit weird but I've never been in the place of someone desperately wanting a child and not able to.

Jesus you really can’t argue with stupid can you

IVF is fine but I do not agree with the way in industry targets poor young women to donate eggs.

Surrogacy should be banned.

Trust me it’s a hell of a lot worse than
most of the above, is take a broken leg skiing over night after night of sobbing (for years) and all joy being taken away from me. You really ought not to comment, you clearly don’t understand

I don't see the difference between embryos discarded (usually because they aren't viable) and the monthly period where you might have a chemical but it doesn't work. It happens frequently.

Not sure what trauma my IVF kids are going to feel? 🤔

Physic trauma. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

surrogacy is just awful, I know someone who got involved with it and their experience has only reinforced my views, more so sympathy for the child who ends up with no one who ever considered itself her mother as the surrogate completely mentally disassociated from the poor thing from the start of the pregnancy (and the fathers are not always so perfect as the media like to portray either) but sad also to see young poor naive women exploited.
I’d never really had a problem with IVF and absolutely thrilled whenever I met a couple who had been trying for years for a baby and it had actually happened. However I do now think its use has become sadly too perverted as of examples others have given.

The UK has a very low birth rate, combined with social forces meaning couples aren’t trying for children until mid 30s - the NHS should fund IVF, the public coffers will get much more than the thousands of £ IVF cost back in tax income from children that are produced. It just makes economic sense for a western country to offer IVF in this day and age, we need more children and we also have an economy where many women need to build careers instead of have babies through their most fertile years. Enter IVF.

its use has become sadly too perverted as of examples others have given.

Which examples are those? I must've missed them.