To ask if people today don’t agree with ivf?!

[Yaerry]

or am I just naive? Watched the new documentary about Jean Purdy and I’m surprised there was so much push back at the time. It’s made me wonder if one day surrogacy will be more accepted? I thought ivf was just a standard thing now that wasn’t controversial.

not all causes of infertility genetic inherited traits. For example someone with blocked tubes. Ivf is not a cure but it is a solution. It doesn’t mean the baby will also have blocked tubes …

IVF should absolutely not be on the NHS, that's absurd to me - since when is having children a medical necessity?. Otherwise I don't see any ethical issues with it

Thank you for clarifying. It's an interesting point.

I don't know the ins and outs of my neighbours' private life but I doubt they have qualified for NHS IVF as they already had a child. They wanted another that was biologically related to the other woman and she couldn't carry it herself.

I've no issues with this and wish them every happiness.

It's an interesting thought about where to draw the line with NHS IVF though.

Personally, I worry about it becoming something only for the rich and that makes me sad when I think about all the working class mothers who volunteered in the trials.

If we were relying on everything being natural many more women - and children - would die or be injured in childbirth. No pain relief, no epidurals or c-sections, no blood transfusions etc
I spent the first 8 weeks of my life in SCBU, that's not natural, I needed medical intervention to survive.

Sorry, you don’t get to tell me to calm down. I lived through the reality of infertility and it was absolutely awful. You said in your post that “IVF doesn’t cure infertility”. I was unable to get pregnant after trying unsuccessfully for 4 years. IVF meant I was able to have my first child. After having my first child for the first time in years my periods were ‘normal’. When I went on to try for a second child. Lo and behold I got pregnant on the first month of trying. So yes, IVF cured my infertility.

I think your logic only holds if the cause of infertility is genetic. In any case, while growing, I think the number of IVF babies born per year is still not quite enough to threaten the future of the human race. I suspect Trump is a bigger risk.

@MinPinSins not necessarily. That stat of 20pc isn’t a good one because relatively few people are willing to risk it without the drugs when they are already investing their time and money . There isn’t much data on it. There is some evidence that it could produce better eggs and less side effects

I think OP is referring to the Netflix film

I havent seen a documentary anywhere

Again since when is viagra a medical necessity. But it effects men having sex so they get it on the nhs

IVF is recommended for 3 rounds by NICE guidelines. It is caused by a number of different medical conditions

I don't agree with donor eggs, sperm or embryos ethically they just don't sit right with me.

I understand you have the right to your views and I am not arguing against that, but this makes me very sad. Is the aim of science not to make the world a better place? If science could help someone to walk, or to see, would that not be celebrated as a wonderful thing? Why is science helping someone to become a parent any different?

The film touches on the issues that the scientists were playing god

It doesn't seem as if anyone is bothered about that. More about wasting NHS funds on something that's considered unnecessary

So you think couples who cannot afford ivf should have to suffer through infertility. Whereas it is fine for richer people to have it. To me this is a massive ethical concern having suffered through infertility myself. I paid for my own ivf but I wouldn’t wish infertility on anyone

If you can’t even accept someone asking whether IVF might have a knock-on effect on evolution, why engage in a discussion about people’s hesitations?

And no, that doesn’t mean IVF cured it.

Anyway, I’ve said I’m not against IVF so I’m not sure what else you want.

For those arguing about the cost to the NHS, how is it fair that fertile women can have as many NHS funded births as they want but infertile couples don’t even get the chance to try? Maternity services cost far more than IVF. Should we expect women with multiple children to access private maternity services so they don’t drain NHS resources?

But you have been in that position? So your opinion is as valid as mine even if we have dealt with our situations differently. I’ve no problem with people who have experienced infertility disagreeing with IVF or taking another path. That is a personal choice. My issue is with those who have never experienced this situation feeling like they’ve a right to comment on what people should or shouldn’t do. I’ve never wanted or needed an abortion. So I’ll keep my mouth shut on the subject and not judge others or state what is right or wrong for them, because what do I know? It’s the same kind of thing to me.

No you don't think straight couples should have better access to fertility treatment than same sex couples?

It's tricky and I appreciate that people can be against something without reason/reason acceptable to others/uninformed or anything else.

If it's okay for a male to donate why should women be prohibited the same privilege? Isn't that an infringement on a women's agency over her own body? 🧐

@itzthTtimeGib an interesting point about evolution. The numbers are so small I can’t see it mattering. If it does cause a future infertility increase maybe that wouldn’t be bad for the overpopulation of the planet?

I also wonder if the treatment of other diseases which would be fatal from a young age is increasing the prevalence in society. For example if orthodontic treatment wasn’t available and people with v bad teeth couldn’t eat well they would be were likely to have children. Does this mean today more people have wonky teeth and lore treatment etc?

edited after reading you other post. Yes iVF can really cure infertility for some people. I have known people who then had subsequent natural pregnancies and healthy births

It’s not everywhere. I have a stepdaughter and my DH and I are entitled to 3 rounds on the NHS because I have no biological children. We’re in Scotland.

If her donation was a simple as orgasming into a cup, we could have a fair comparison.

Infertility is not a death sentence so no, I don't think it should be provided by public healthcare.

I understand that feelings run high on this subject, but this is alarmingly poor logic. Denying women care for subsequent births would result in dead and damaged mothers and babies, not to mention the catastrophic strain it would place on the NHS when all those mothers and babies who survived it needed ongoing care. Denying IVF on the NHS isn't remotely comparable.

When did I say I agree with viagra being provided by the NHS? If a woman can have a healthy life without IVF, it should not be provided by healthcare

It depends on whether it involves donor eggs or not. The use of donor eggs has major risks to the health and life of the donor. In most cases, particularly paid for eggs, the risks are minimised to the donor (e.g. told no evidence of long term effects when the reality is there is no research into long-term effects). This is cruel and heartless.

IVF with your own egg is fine. You are making a decision based on your item body. Plus there is more data on the effects of the drugs on infertile women.

@wintersgold that was a comparison of something else not needed but that adds to an enriched life.
who are you to say what a healthy life for a woman is?
IVF is a medical treatment that can cure medical issues. It is no different from any other medical drug/ surgery