To ask if people today don’t agree with ivf?!

[Yaerry]

or am I just naive? Watched the new documentary about Jean Purdy and I’m surprised there was so much push back at the time. It’s made me wonder if one day surrogacy will be more accepted? I thought ivf was just a standard thing now that wasn’t controversial.

I don't have children and would never have gone the IVF route. I just wouldn't have wanted to put my body through that. In those days I had puritanical ideas about how if you didn't have a baby it wasn't meant to be and you should just accept it (I didn't think other people should feel this way. It was a personal view). I am not so puritanical these days but I still wouldn't do it

I’m uncomfortable with the destruction of embryos that happens in IVF as I believe life begins at conception. This is a common view amongst other m Christians that I know

Heterosexual couples needing IVF have a medical issue, often PCOS.
Why shouldn't they have a medical issue treated?

Very often the treatment for painful periods caused by PCOS is throwing the pill at women. Which obviously doesn't help trying to conceive a baby.

I don't agree with donor eggs, sperm or embryos ethically they just don't sit right with me. Which in turn means I don't agree with homosexual IVF.

There are far more abortions done than IVF though, so the costs may not be that different.

So you agree with experimenting on humans?

Yes

Are you also against egg and sperm donation (donating and accepting)?

Are the people against destroying embryos also against abortion ?

I wouldn’t have been able to have my child if it wasn’t for IVF. It was not a choice I made, it was a last resort and those who don’t think it should be allowed on the NHS are people who have not experienced the stress, upset, invasion of your body by professionals doing everything they can to enable you to conceive naturally. This was a 5 year journey, failed transfers and people judge that it’s an easy route or something people are choosing against natural conception or do those who can’t naturally conceive and need help don’t deserve a family? I’m telling you now, IVF is not as simple as take an egg and sperm and transfer the fertilised egg back in. Please people research this and educate yourselves.

I am entitled to access a service that is offered to me, that has very strict protocols in place and through tax and national insurance have contributed to.

Surrogacy is illegal in most countries in the world and should be here. It’s cruel to the child who bonds with their mother at birth, and reduces women to incubators.

Gestational surrogacy is 3x higher risk for severe pregnancy complications.

IVF enables clinics to make huge profits by basically privatizing our reproduction; women are often harmed by the egg retrieval. I know it’s made a lot of people parents who otherwise wouldn’t have been - but it has real societal and individual downsides.

I haven't read the whole thread (yet) but I wonder what people's opinions are on the postcode lottery of a lesbian couple trying to conceive, funded (a little) by the NHS?
I can obviously guess the opinions of those who don't think IVF should be paid for by the NHS, but I'd be really interested in hearing the opinions of those who agree with NHS funding or those who are on the fence. Do you think straight couples should have better access to fertility treatment than same sex couples?

Possibly egg. I don’t see any human cost or risk to life from sperm donation.

Happy to learn more though.

What about the costs involved in continuing an unwanted pregnancy?

Pre-natal care? Delivery? Neonatal care? And so on?

Looked at that way, abortion saves the NHS millions.

Is there any proof being taken from the surrogate and being given straight to the biological mother causes separation trauma?

Its notike the baby is going into care and being passed around from pillar to post until it is adopted like in babies who are given up and obviously will have separation trauma. They are given straight to their biological mothers whom they stay with for the rest of their life. Will they even know the weren't carried by their mothers if they weren't told?

Also for the people who are saying that ivf shouldn’t be available on the nhs, but they don’t disagree with it. So should ivf be only available for those rich enough to pay for it ??

I seem to be alone here but I’m uncomfortable with the idea of IVF as it doesn’t actually fix the cause of infertility. And I wonder what that means for subsequent generations…will we end up creating a population that requires IVF in order to reproduce at all?

I would tell anyone who doesn’t agree with ivf they can f@ck off. IVF (which I paid for with my own money) gave me the family I desperately wanted. I honestly feel that if I wasn’t able to have children, then I would have ended up killing myself. I feel grateful everyday for the two beautiful children I have. Anyone who says ivf shouldn’t be allowed is heartless and cruel.

Good solution is overstating it slightly! Its success rate is around 20% of conventional IVF.

I have a friend conceived via sperm donor. She really struggles with it. She’s part of a group for donor conceived children who are having similar struggles to her which are around identity, belonging in family, wider relationship issues etc.

She has been having therapy on and off for 15 years and she has a strained relationship with her parents. She is strongly against egg and sperm donation along with many other donor conceived children in the group. Her mum and dad love her but have said seeing the problems it has caused, if they could go back, they wouldn’t do it. It’s been devastating for the whole family. There is definitely a human cost.

No.

What a dumb comment. I was infertile. IVF meant I was able to have a baby. It cost me around £6k. I had to save to be able to pay for that treatment. It wasn’t some easy quick fix as you imply. It was absolute hell feeling desperate to have a baby and not being able to get pregnant when practically everyone else I knew was. Give your head a wobble FFS 🙄

I do get what you mean by 'homosexual IVF' but I'm curious what your take is on gay friends (ie M/F) having IVF together? I know the HFEA classes this as a 'known donor' situation, but it's not that uncommon as a way for gay people to have babies.

But if it's natural IVF with it's reduced chance, or nothing then it's a good option.

I didn’t say I’m against it? I said I’m uncomfortable with one aspect that I mentioned. I’m also uncomfortable with many choices I’ve made about my own body. Calm down.

It does for some people with unexplained infertility. A proportion can get pregnant a second time without intervention after an IVF pregnancy