Call a General Election? Really?

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I mean, I very much doubt this will get anywhere in the parliament but nearly 2 mil people signed it in just over 24 hours 😬

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700143

Absolutely. But then again, bots have no sense of shame!

And then this, pro Labour still can't see not everyone is as happy with them as they are.

With the polls tanking and lobbying plus petitions

The electorate in general isn't very bright and expects instant gratification.

People feel lied to and misled. Labour is unrecognisable.
It’s a message to the government that we are not best pleased, any of us.

I'm a pensioner on £17,000pa and obviously have lost my winter fuel allowance. It hasn't pissed me off-some very wealthy people were getting it and there are young families who are much worse off. I do feel sorry for people on £13,000.
Someone sent me a link to the petition. She's a widow who owns a large farm with land. She has people working for her and goes on two or three holidays/ cruises every year.
Money has to be raised somewhere and while there are definitely things like student loans etc. that need looking at we have to accept that we can't all have everything our own way if we want things to improve long term. I know raising employer NI contributions will badly affect organisations like Hospices etc.
It's very tricky to get these things right but I think they're doing a better job than the previous government.
I suspect the people behind this would like someone like Farage to win. I also start to suspect that there's a young intern at Tory H.Q. whose job is to slag off Labour on various internet groups all day!
This isn't going to be debated anyway just as the second referendum petition wasn't.

Actually what’s embarrassing is that people are talking about this as if it is a genuine representation of people’s thoughts and feelings when it clearly isn’t given the majority of it has been signed by bots and people with multiple email addresses.

I suspect in in fact that the original link to this on the petitions board the other night was started by a bot. The whole “you need to sign this now” wording is typical AI speak.

And tbh, “calls for a general election” is a bit of a joke given that there is a similar petition every five minutes when a government does something someone doesn’t agree with, and if you publicise it enough it’s easy enough to get a few bandwagon jumpers and then the bots come rolling in.

How many bots on this thread I wonder.

Taking a step back from any actual policies, we surely understand that making change at the national level is like turning an oil tanker.

The trouble for Labour is the growth that was higher than forecast in the first part of the year but has stagnated including a contraction of the private sector.

They have taken hold of the tanker but it's heading in the wrong direction

They'll need to overcome that and then more to get growth

This is policy related there's no avoiding that. If people want time they'll likely get that wish, it'll be interesting to see how they reconcile lower growth with higher public spending and no option for further borrowing or taxes rises, not £70bn like last time anyway.

Speak for yourself

The far right are trying to destroy the UK. From spreading misinformation that lead to the riots in the summer, to wanting to increase disaffection and overthrow the democratic result of the GE.

It's embarrassing so many fall for it.

The polls match the general consensus, and the petition.

I suspect the people behind this would like someone like Farage to win. I also start to suspect that there's a young intern at Tory H.Q. whose job is to slag off Labour on various internet groups all day!I suspect the people behind this would like someone like Farage to win. I also start to suspect that there's a young intern at Tory H.Q. whose job is to slag off Labour on various internet groups all day! tbh I think the whole argument that tories deliberately go online to slag off labour is tedious.

Every party has people who dislike them. And whether people voted for them or not, labour haven’t exactly made a positive entrance, it’s inevitable that they are going to be criticised because of the decisions they’ve currently made.

people need to vote for whoever they vote for, and accept that not everyone will share their view, and that there will criticism. We have a UK population of 60 million people. That’s potentially 60 million differing opinions.

The usual Labour response is the most depressing, rather than some reflection on Labour’s disastrous performance we just hear the same thing over and over:

Far right
Bots

On a loop.

Likewise. Same old whining - it's insufferable.

The geographic distribution of the signatories doesn’t appear to support the claim that bots represent a significant chunk.

Yep but that's a very mn Labour thing

The Brexit petition did get a debate, as did a 2022 petition with 900k signatures asking for a GE. This one will too, I imagine. Petition debates are usually held in Westminster Hall, which is where debates of (mostly) little consequence are shunted off to (and so get little press attention).

Well over 2 million are from the United Kingdom, with maybe four or five or 20 from far flung places, which could even be people who are traveling or relocated.

nothing can come of it, but I suppose it's good to see people waking up.

Labour are a shower of shit, but people can't say they weren't warned!

Whilst I'd like them gone ASAP, I haven't a clue how to replace them right now. There isn't a strong opposition party. Or even the ground roots of one.

Sign of the times. There is absolutely no government that the nation would be content with current. None whatsoever. Because the nation's problems are completely unfixable in the medium-term, and that's all most people can tolerate.

There is proof.

I saw it posted somewhere which has shown that there was a steady stream of signatories coming from all over the world - including 3 uninhabited islands 😂
They were coming all through the night uk time as well.

Plus the fact that apparent Starmer himself has signed it 😂😂

This is democracy

You do not always get the result you want and even if you voted for the government you may not like how they proceed but your MP's are there to listen to to challenge the government for you

But I am glad people are challenging the government even though I suspect few have signed this petition that really do feel its right to call another election. I am hoping that Labour will change direction in how they are dealing with decisions that are being challenged, as at the moment they are going along the lines of we have tough decisions to make that are non negotiable, and vast majority of decisions should be negotiable to some degree

People want a magic wand - they want great public services and don't want to pay for them. They want the mess the Tories left to vanish in a few months and the economy to be the same as pre Brexit.

What I'd like to hear is where they want the money to come from to fix the country.

100%

When people speak of 'waking up' to Labour, I wish they would 'wake up ' to the fact that Brexit has caused 90% of our issues – which was warned extensively by the Labour party.

What have they lied about? Honest question as I can't find straight answers

There are a lot of very general comments like "disastrous start" and "shower of shit". It would be interesting to have a more reasoned description of what is felt to be disastrous and why and what you would like to see instead.

Merkel has written an autobiography which is being released soon and she talks about Cameron and Brexit and how she tried to get the UK to stay.

However she concedes that the political situation was such in the UK that there wasn't much she could do.

Ridiculous idea.