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Family is against me for not feeding baby meat

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Foxtails · 25/11/2024 08:08

Sorry if this has been brought up before, but could do with some advice please.

8 month old baby, stopped breastfeeding at 6 months. So far I have not fed anything with meat in it and do not plan to. I am vegetarian and have been for 8 years. DH is not veggie but does eat veggie meals in the house with me (his choice). For now, while my son has no way to make his own decisions, I won’t be feeding him meat. Once he is old enough to decide for himself, he can choose. We will always have vegetarian meals in the house but if he wants to eat it outside of the house that’s up to him and there will be no judgement from me.

It seems like absolutely none of my family members can accept this. My mum, dad, grandparents and also DHs parents have expressed to me how they think this is wrong. I have told them that as long as he is fed and is healthy then there really is no problem, and it’s up to me how I do this. It’s got to the point where it’s being brought up almost every time I see anyone because they are so so against it. I feel attacked. They are telling me not to force my views upon my child, but isn’t that what all parents do?! People parent their children how they think is best and in line with what they agree with. Everyone does this.

I am feeling upset and overwhelmed and feeling like i can’t go and see anyone without them starting this argument with me and I worry that they will feed him meat behind my back. Please could I have some advice on what to do and how to handle this? Has anyone been in this position?

OP posts:
ByGentleFatball · 25/11/2024 09:32

Foxtails · 25/11/2024 09:19

Yes he would. Before he met me he wouldn’t have done. But now he would. He keeps trying to be vegetarian himself but can’t seem to help himself when it comes to fish and some meat dishes when he’s in restaurants. If my DH says he wants our child to be veggie then what’s the problem? He is a big grown man, if he has a problem with it he can tell me. It doesn’t even matter if he would bring a different baby up veggie does it? Because we aren’t in that situation. It’s completely fictional. Made up by you for no reason. Right now, with THIS baby, in THIS relationship, he would like our child to be vegetarian.

Could I please ask you why you are focused on this rather than the actual real dilemma that I have asked for advice on?

Yes because he wants a peaceful relationship with his co-parent. Not because he thinks children should be raised as vegetarian. We all do things to compromise and appease our co-parents. Your husband decided to go with your desire to raise veggie children.

thepariscrimefiles · 25/11/2024 09:32

ChocolateTelephone · 25/11/2024 08:55

We had it recently with my four year old. He had seen kids at his nursery eating fish fingers and was asking about them because he said they looked tasty. I asked if he wanted to try them, he said yes, I bought some and put them on his plate. He asked if they were really made of fish. I said yes. He said he didn’t want them. I said it was up to him. He didn’t eat them. I asked him a few days later if he wanted to try again, he said no.

A relative of mine has asked him a couple of times if he wants to try meat from his plate, he’s said no each time.

If he changes his mind and asks to eat meat in the future, he can. Now that he’s four I think he’s old enough to decide.

And while I agree saying ‘you don’t want to hurt baby lambs do you’ is manipulative and inappropriate, I think it’s also manipulative and weird not to tell your children truthfully that meat is dead animals. You can express that in a neutral, non-sensational and factual way but I’ve seen parents lie to their children about it (my own aunt told her children the chicken she was serving up as a Sunday roast was something completely different that just happened to share a name with the family’s beloved pet chickens scratching around the garden) and I think that’s equally manipulative and inappropriate.

Absolutely. My grand-daughter is vegetarian and she asked me why I ate meat as she knows that meat comes from the cute animals that are in her books. I find it hard to justify why I am eating meat other than that I like the taste. It doesn't seem a good enough reason.

The idea that I would want her to eat meat is ridiculous.

Katemax82 · 25/11/2024 09:32

My sister was exactly the same with her kids and got grief for it. Her kids ate meat once they were old enough to decide for themselves. They had no health issues. However the way she stopped her daughter wanting meat was bizarre, shetold her it was "boys meat" hence she shouldn't eat it! Fast forward 22years my niece has now transitioned to male

Rosscameasdoody · 25/11/2024 09:32

zaxxon · 25/11/2024 08:18

I was with you until you said you were worried your family would feed the child meat "behind your back". Would you see this as somehow contaminating your baby? That's not a healthy way of looking at it (and I speak as someone who mostly eats vegetarian and has veggie teens)

It doesn’t matter how OP chooses to see it. Her child, her choice. If they’re not prepared to respect that then they are not left alone with the baby. It’s not about contamination - reading through the OP’s posts, I don’t think that’s an issue because she’s not against the child eating meat when they’re old enough to make the choice themselves. It’s more about respecting her principles.

Alicecatto · 25/11/2024 09:32

CurbsideProphet · 25/11/2024 09:19

I'm amazed anyone could have such strong feelings about something which has no impact on them whatsoever. Of course you can feed your baby a vegetarian diet if you choose to. Mumsnet is a whole different world sometimes.

100%. Folks, quit attacking the OP for a dietary choice that is perfectly OK. You would almost think people on here had a herd mentality 😁

Foxtails · 25/11/2024 09:33

TheCatterall · 25/11/2024 09:15

@Foxtails hogs on the massive derailing of your thread.

dear family, you’ve made your feeelings clear as have we - his actual parents. You are making catching up an unpleasant experience by continuing with your objections and I feel that I’d rather not be around continued complaints. Please respect our decision and let’s continue enjoying each others company.

they can happily whinge about this and future parenting decisions in private but no negativity or continuous whinging to you both.

Thank you 💕

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Abcxyz123user · 25/11/2024 09:33

eurochick · 25/11/2024 08:44

You say you are happy for him to make choices out of the house when he is older but also that you are worried about others feeding him meat. These things don't tally. Surely if someone else offers him meat and he takes it that is fine?

Fwiw I was veggie for many years and pretty repulsed by the idea of eating meat. I then developed a dairy intolerance and went back to eating meat as it was too restrictive to combine the two (this is long before there was a vegan option on pretty much every menu). I have to say I felt much better once I started eating meat again. I hadn't realised I felt sub par before, I guess because it had come on over many years. I got ill less too. So I would never want my child to be veggie. I wish it were not the case but I think our bodies are designed to subsist on an omnivorous diet.

She is ok for her son to eat meat others give him as long as he knows what it is and where it comes from. He cannot know that now.

DieStrassensindimmernass · 25/11/2024 09:33

Greenbeanmcgee · 25/11/2024 09:31

*A vegetarian diet isn't weird.
Forcing your child to do something because of your beliefs is not great.

Like feeding your child meat when they have no concept of what it is and may be horrified in later life that you fed them pieces of dead animal before they were old enough to decide for themselves?

Introducing them to a range of food types is the best option, allowing them to choose or reject foods once they understand more about diet, health, ethics and so on.

Lentilweaver · 25/11/2024 09:33

Religion is also forcing your child to do something because of your beliefs. I don't think most parents are bringing up their children to worship at all altars.

Ladamesansmerci · 25/11/2024 09:34

Veggie and vegan diets are healthy for all life stages, according to the WHO. You just need to be careful with nutrition (though plenty of Omni children eat garbage...).

Me and my wife are vegan. We have a 6mo. At home she'll eat vegan, but I'll buy eggs etc to expose her to allergens. If my parents want to feed her meat, that's fine, but I won't be doing. Contrary the opinion of meat eaters, meat does not need to be present in every meal, and you can make healthy, tasty food without it. This week, we've had a ren lentil curry made with fresh ingredients, ',fish' chips and mushy peas, baked sweet potato with chickpeas, salad, and a hummus/lemon dressing, pasta with a creamy sauce made from butter beans etc, and plenty of veggies. All of this is healthy, and my child will not waste away eating this because she doesn't have meat at home.

I'm of the opinion she can eat as she wants out the house. I'll teach her about food in a child appropriate way, and then she can learn to make her own choices as she gets older. I still won't be buying meat as, as I'm not cooking two separate meals and it's not a cafeteria.

My parents were a bit like 'if you don't give her meat, we'll feed her in secret at ours'. I simply replied with 'if I want to raise her vegan, I will. If you do that she won't come here'. Started an argument, but who cares. It's not about the food. It's about respecting my parenting decisions.

Funnywonder · 25/11/2024 09:34

Baby meat? Surely that would be cannibalism?😂 Sorry ...

DieStrassensindimmernass · 25/11/2024 09:34

thepariscrimefiles · 25/11/2024 09:32

Absolutely. My grand-daughter is vegetarian and she asked me why I ate meat as she knows that meat comes from the cute animals that are in her books. I find it hard to justify why I am eating meat other than that I like the taste. It doesn't seem a good enough reason.

The idea that I would want her to eat meat is ridiculous.

Have her parents spoken to her and indoctrinated her into vegetarianism perchance?

OrlandointheWilderness · 25/11/2024 09:35

Bunnycat101 · 25/11/2024 09:29

A vegetarian diet is likely going to be pretty healthy - certainly healthier than taking in a lot
of the processed meat that is virtually standard in schools, restaurant kid meals etc. Do you think there is any chance they are getting confused with veganism? Vegetarianism isn’t extreme at all so they’re being really unreasonable to bully you about this. And - most 8month old babies aren’t actually eating that much meat even if they’re not veggie.

The only thing that would slightly worry me is how easy it would be for them to eat meat in the future if they wanted to. One of my friends grew up veggie and stopped while at university as she was mega anaemic and wanted to introduce red meat. It made her feel pretty awful at first as she hadn’t had any meat at all for so long.

It's not a given that it's healthier - the advent of meat replacement products has ensures vegetarians have just as much access to processed food as meat eaters!
Our diet is 100% cooked from scratch. I only use local free range meat, very rarely do I buy processed stuff. I make my own burgers/sausages/kievs etc so I know what is in them. We eat a wide variety of fruit and veg and the veg is local and seasonal. We aren't perfect, but we try our best!
Just like a vegetarian diet can be excellent, or can be terrible!

Wellingtonspie · 25/11/2024 09:35

The only thing I disagree with is you said when he starts school you will tell them his veggie. Thats not giving him choice as many schools would then not allow him to try meat even if he wanted too.

Where as if they are just nothing they can pick what they want veggie or meat.

For the child to have choice they have to be able to pick either option not just be forced upon one option with the other being an asked for. So a restaurant picking his own meal he has choice you telling school his veggie he has no choice still.

GoneTooFarAgain · 25/11/2024 09:35

Some meat eaters get absolutely ragingly furious at anybody who goes against their way of thinking, almost like by making a different choice you're questioning THEIR morality and ethics as a human being. It's probably cognitive dissonance at play.

In my experience, you will never win the argument. So it's probably best to diffuse diffuse diffuse "I'm not discussing this, he's MY child." "I'm not discussing this, he's MY child." And repeat.

Moglet4 · 25/11/2024 09:35

Why does just about every vegetarian on here assume that eating meat means chicken nuggets and McDonald’s burgers?! Or say that the one time they let their child try meat it was something along those lines? (Unless they were deliberately trying to put the child off). Btw I’m not having a go at anyone raising their children veggie- fair enough - but this assumption is just frankly absurd.

DieStrassensindimmernass · 25/11/2024 09:35

Lentilweaver · 25/11/2024 09:33

Religion is also forcing your child to do something because of your beliefs. I don't think most parents are bringing up their children to worship at all altars.

I've replied upthread re religious indoctrination. 😬

Foxtails · 25/11/2024 09:35

ChocolateTelephone · 25/11/2024 09:19

Babies don’t have their own ethics. Every child in the world is raised by parents imparting their own ethical beliefs onto them. Parents who give their children meat are raising them in accordance with their ethical belief that it’s ok to eat meat. That is exactly the same as parents not giving their child meat because of their ethical belief that it’s better not to eat meat.

As they get older children develop their own ethical beliefs which might be different from their parents. That’s fine and normal. It’s why I won’t object to my son now eating meat if he wants to. But OP’s child is a baby. He doesn’t have his own ethical beliefs. It’s absolutely right and normal that OP raises him in accordance with her own ethics. There is no way to raise a child in an ethical vacuum until they’re old enough to form their own views.

Thank you for this reply! 100%

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thepariscrimefiles · 25/11/2024 09:35

WifeOfMacbeth · 25/11/2024 08:55

From an ethical point of view, veganism - including eschewing leather etc is a much more consistent position. Unfortunately that is rather more challenging in terms of ensuring dietary needs are met. The reliance on imported foodstuffs - avocado, almond milk etc - also has significant environmental implications.

By all means, don't give your baby meet at home. But I would suggest trying to relax a bit. That might make wider family relationships a bit easier. (People matter too. It's not all about lovely animals.)

You think that OP should give her child meat just to make wider family relationships a bit easier? That's ridiculous! If having a vegetarian grand-child makes family relationships difficult, these relationships are not worth having.

Rosscameasdoody · 25/11/2024 09:35

ByGentleFatball · 25/11/2024 09:32

Yes because he wants a peaceful relationship with his co-parent. Not because he thinks children should be raised as vegetarian. We all do things to compromise and appease our co-parents. Your husband decided to go with your desire to raise veggie children.

Wow. What a sad viewpoint, that a partner would go with something simply for a quiet life, rather than because they respect the viewpoint of the other partner in an issue which has absolutely no effect on themselves. Quite insulting to OP too - implying she’s nagged him into it.

ByGentleFatball · 25/11/2024 09:35

DieStrassensindimmernass · 25/11/2024 09:03

Avoiding artificial sweeteners isn't they same as avoiding meat. 🫣

What is the same is tonight your child's diet in an attempt to avoid them having a specific liking for certain foods. Most of us do this for sweet things. Vegetarians and vegans do the same thing when it comes to meat. They don't want their child to like it so don't give it to them and prohibit others from giving it to them too.

That approach to parenthood isn't wrong. It's common. But you have to admit what you're doing. Sometimes when people feel that deep down, it isn't right, they struggle with owning their choice. They pretend it's just happening rather then something they've orchestrated.

DieStrassensindimmernass · 25/11/2024 09:36

Moglet4 · 25/11/2024 09:35

Why does just about every vegetarian on here assume that eating meat means chicken nuggets and McDonald’s burgers?! Or say that the one time they let their child try meat it was something along those lines? (Unless they were deliberately trying to put the child off). Btw I’m not having a go at anyone raising their children veggie- fair enough - but this assumption is just frankly absurd.

Agreed.
We have amazing quality local meat where I live, and no McDs or the like!

BetweenThem · 25/11/2024 09:36

DieStrassensindimmernass · 25/11/2024 09:19

You can't be glad you've not done something which is normal and legal , if you've never tried it.

What?

Yes, my children are glad that they’ve never eaten animals. They don’t need to have eaten them to feel that way. Are you seriously trying to tell my children how they can/can’t feel based on the ‘logic’ that you have to have tried things that are ‘legal and normal’ to know how you feel about it?

InfiniteTeas · 25/11/2024 09:37

I'm on the fence here. I've been vegetarian for 35 years and it's a very healthy diet, as long as you're nutritionally aware, which it sounds like you are. I'm the only vegetarian in our household of five, but my partner and children are quite happy to eat vegetarian. I tend to cook separately, however, as after you've taken into account all the likes and dislikes, and one allergy, there's more overlap with some of the fairly basic meat dishes.
However, we never considered raising the kids vegetarian, taking the opposite view to you, that we would give them access to a full range of options, and if they wanted to cut things out later, then that would be their decision. I have occasionally been given meat by mistake, and my stomach has not reacted well at all, so I'd be concerned that approaching things the other way round might make for an uncomfortable transition, if they decided they wanted to eat meat later. I might be slightly unusual in that I don't have a problem with handling and cooking meat - other than lamb, as I can't stand the smell.
Two of my sons have had friends who were being raised strictly vegetarian, but who would make a beeline for meat at parties, or try to snaffle it off friends' plates. It made for a quite uncomfortable conversation with one parent after I was issued with the usual 'absolutely no meat under any circumstances' instruction before a party, and I had to say that they'd need to come and supervise in that case, as I wasn't enjoying the annual argument with a now ten year-old who was insisting that he was allowed ham on his pizza and that he always had it, no matter what his mum said!

DieStrassensindimmernass · 25/11/2024 09:37

ByGentleFatball · 25/11/2024 09:35

What is the same is tonight your child's diet in an attempt to avoid them having a specific liking for certain foods. Most of us do this for sweet things. Vegetarians and vegans do the same thing when it comes to meat. They don't want their child to like it so don't give it to them and prohibit others from giving it to them too.

That approach to parenthood isn't wrong. It's common. But you have to admit what you're doing. Sometimes when people feel that deep down, it isn't right, they struggle with owning their choice. They pretend it's just happening rather then something they've orchestrated.

Nobody should be trying to avoid theur child liking meat just because they disapprove though, that's the point. 😬

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