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Family is against me for not feeding baby meat

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Foxtails · 25/11/2024 08:08

Sorry if this has been brought up before, but could do with some advice please.

8 month old baby, stopped breastfeeding at 6 months. So far I have not fed anything with meat in it and do not plan to. I am vegetarian and have been for 8 years. DH is not veggie but does eat veggie meals in the house with me (his choice). For now, while my son has no way to make his own decisions, I won’t be feeding him meat. Once he is old enough to decide for himself, he can choose. We will always have vegetarian meals in the house but if he wants to eat it outside of the house that’s up to him and there will be no judgement from me.

It seems like absolutely none of my family members can accept this. My mum, dad, grandparents and also DHs parents have expressed to me how they think this is wrong. I have told them that as long as he is fed and is healthy then there really is no problem, and it’s up to me how I do this. It’s got to the point where it’s being brought up almost every time I see anyone because they are so so against it. I feel attacked. They are telling me not to force my views upon my child, but isn’t that what all parents do?! People parent their children how they think is best and in line with what they agree with. Everyone does this.

I am feeling upset and overwhelmed and feeling like i can’t go and see anyone without them starting this argument with me and I worry that they will feed him meat behind my back. Please could I have some advice on what to do and how to handle this? Has anyone been in this position?

OP posts:
GlasgowGal82 · 25/11/2024 11:17

I've got two six foot tall, strong, healthy and athletic teenaged nephews who have been vegetarians since they were weaned as evidence that this will work out fine OP.

Rosscameasdoody · 25/11/2024 11:17

Butterworths · 25/11/2024 10:04

I don't see the distinction between being glad you did or did not do something and being aware of the positives of having done or not done something.

Agree. You don’t see someone dying of lung cancer and think ‘boy I wish I’d smoked’ !!

TheSilkWorm · 25/11/2024 11:18

Cherrysoup · 25/11/2024 09:58

Re protein, there are tons of protein products now, pancakes in Lidl/Aldi, yoghurts, even Muller rice has a protein version, protein softbake bars in Asda/Sainsbury. Obviously the baby is too young young for such products currently and you aren’t supposed to overload the protein (I mean very high amounts) on very young children.

I don’t see it as any different from certain religions being vegetarian. I used to teach a Hare Krishna girl, she’d been brought up vegetarian of course. I recall her telling me eggs were banned-potential for life and for some reason, mushrooms. Other religions ban eg pork/beef, would they complain about this if your dp didn’t want pork in the house? Or beef? Did they bring you up in a religion? Obviously you make choices for your child, be it religion, school, food. Nothing to do with anyone but you as his parents.

Those high protein products are completely unnecessary within a normal balanced diet and are simply marketing wank.

thepariscrimefiles · 25/11/2024 11:19

CustardCreams2 · 25/11/2024 10:27

We as humans only developed the large brains we have today due to our ancestors shifting from a plant based diet to a nutrient rich meat diet. You wouldn’t be on mumsnet right now if your ancestors had eaten the diet you are advocating for.

So what? Are you saying that a vegetarian diet will shrink OP's baby's brain? Or that because our ancestors ate meat, we must do that too? I assume that our ancestors didn't have access to sources of protein other than meat like we do today.

A vegetarian diet is an ethical and healthy choice for children and adults.

beAsensible1 · 25/11/2024 11:20

you are fine OP, lots of people and cultures are vegetarian and have been for centuries.

People expecting a vegetarian household to suddenly provide meat for a baby are being ridiculous. You don't cook meat so their won't be any meat its that simple.

Unless your baby is at risk its really not anyone else business what your dietary requirements are.
Your family needs to grow up and get a life.

ChocolateTelephone · 25/11/2024 11:22

GlasgowGal82 · 25/11/2024 11:17

I've got two six foot tall, strong, healthy and athletic teenaged nephews who have been vegetarians since they were weaned as evidence that this will work out fine OP.

Similarly I have a four year old boy who is ten centimetres taller than the average height for his age, has never had to visit the GP for illness or injury in his life, and is strong and hearty as a horse.

I’m perfectly aware that this tells us nothing about the overall health status of vegetarians v meat eaters, but if other people are going to start referencing anaemic four year olds of their acquaintance as evidence of a problem, I’d like a counter example to be out there too!

TheSilkWorm · 25/11/2024 11:23

Saveusernsme · 25/11/2024 10:12

Purposely denying a child of a normal everyday food source will cause issues longer term. That’s why your family are concerned.

I will make the presumption that you were given meat as a child and made an active decision to become a vegetarian? Why are you denying your child the same? Let him have meat and if he decides to change his lifestyle when he’s older, that’s his choice.

I wouldn’t expect you to handle it but your partner should as though they eat meat so they can prepare and cook it at home. Being so controlling over others will lead to issues.

There will be many other conflicts you will come across as a parent, you need to show understanding for others perspectives and realise it’s not always your way. If your child and partner decide they would like meat in their home then they should be entitled to have it.

Have you discussed things like schooling, sweets (kids love those!) - so many many little things that could cause you big conflict.

How will you cope when your child is at a friends house and decides to try meat? Will he be reprimanded? What if, at 8, he decides he loves a ham sandwich at home? Will you stop him?

It doesn't cause any long term issues not to feed a child meat. Why would you assume that the OP was given meat as a child? Lifelong vegetarians weren't invented in the 2000s you know.

DieStrassensindimmernass · 25/11/2024 11:23

Cherrysoup · 25/11/2024 10:02

So no religion/Christmas because it’s a Christian festival and we don’t want to impose that belief? You HAVE to make choices for your child-did you dress them in non-gendered clothing/buy so-called non-gendered toys/allow them to play with them? Of course we naturally impose our values, whether we mean to or not. We live our lives and hope our dc will follow suit, religion, beliefs, food etc, even the holidays we take.

Midwinter festivals existed before christianity.

DieStrassensindimmernass · 25/11/2024 11:24

Foxtails · 25/11/2024 10:04

Yes so when the conversation first came up we had a proper discussion about it (I had to have the same discussion 4 times with 4 different family members). I told them not to worry because we have looked into it pretty extensively. At first I was veggie for ethical reasons, so we weren’t sure what to do about DS because even though I don’t agree with eating meat, I would still feed it to him if it was the healthiest thing for him because I will put his health and nutrition before anything else. However, after looking into it, we have decided that we think it’s actually healthier to be vegetarian and that is our preferred way of raising him for now. I reassured them on everything, even offered to send them some information they can read. Or they can look it up themselves. I assured them that if there was even a slight issue with his health and it was recommended for us to feed him meat, then we would. I think this is reasonable. They just won’t hear of it, they think it’s a load of rubbish and humans have always eaten meat and will not do any harm etc etc. MIL has even made some remarks, while holding DS on her hip and bouncing him she said in a baby voice “can you not wait to stay at nannas and have some delicious chicken” it’s just so upsetting and frustrating to be ignored on this

So instead of actually listening to their point you told them not to worry. Letting them raise their actual concerns might go a long way, even if you ultimately ignore them.

DieStrassensindimmernass · 25/11/2024 11:25

Butterworths · 25/11/2024 10:04

I don't see the distinction between being glad you did or did not do something and being aware of the positives of having done or not done something.

There is though.

beAsensible1 · 25/11/2024 11:27

Foxtails · 25/11/2024 09:19

Yes he would. Before he met me he wouldn’t have done. But now he would. He keeps trying to be vegetarian himself but can’t seem to help himself when it comes to fish and some meat dishes when he’s in restaurants. If my DH says he wants our child to be veggie then what’s the problem? He is a big grown man, if he has a problem with it he can tell me. It doesn’t even matter if he would bring a different baby up veggie does it? Because we aren’t in that situation. It’s completely fictional. Made up by you for no reason. Right now, with THIS baby, in THIS relationship, he would like our child to be vegetarian.

Could I please ask you why you are focused on this rather than the actual real dilemma that I have asked for advice on?

OP im veggie and my husband isn't.

we mostly eat veggie because tats the food both of us can eat.
Its a normal compromise, if he wants meat he cooks it or orders it when we are out.
It's acvery normal dynamic. our children would also be vegetarian in our house.

Most of my family and extended family are vegan/veggie and everyone is healthy, strong, tallied intelligent.

your family are being horrendous and if you think they'd deliberately go against your wishes, i'd send him with his own food or just stay with him on visits.

Alicecatto · 25/11/2024 11:27

DieStrassensindimmernass · 25/11/2024 11:24

So instead of actually listening to their point you told them not to worry. Letting them raise their actual concerns might go a long way, even if you ultimately ignore them.

Oh, she's listened to them, and even provided them information. It isn't any of their business! It really isn't, and these passive agressive comments from MIL are absurd. I'd just say, it isn't a topic for conversation anymore, let's change the subject.

FigTreeInEurope · 25/11/2024 11:27

Jeez, some of the posters on here.. OP, without meat, your sons will have small penises, and your daughters will be too frail to work in the fields. You're a terrible bean burger weilding menace to the future generation.

DieStrassensindimmernass · 25/11/2024 11:29

Rosscameasdoody · 25/11/2024 10:09

You don’t have to have eaten the flesh of animals to be glad you don’t, if you don’t agree with the way animals are farmed and slaughtered. You don’t have to experience smoking or drinking for yourself to be glad you haven’t put yourself at risk of lung cancer or cirrhosis.

If you haven't tasted meat you cannot decide if you enjoy eating meat.

beAsensible1 · 25/11/2024 11:30

Cherrysoup · 25/11/2024 10:02

So no religion/Christmas because it’s a Christian festival and we don’t want to impose that belief? You HAVE to make choices for your child-did you dress them in non-gendered clothing/buy so-called non-gendered toys/allow them to play with them? Of course we naturally impose our values, whether we mean to or not. We live our lives and hope our dc will follow suit, religion, beliefs, food etc, even the holidays we take.

exactly its such bullshit.

people make choices for their children everyday, you choose their clothes, their hair, their environments, their activities.

most children have very little choice. As a meat eating parent you choose what they eat exactly the way a parent does.

even if a child expressly hated religion, you still take them with your to church because you can't leave them at home.

people do all this high-horsing when it comes to vegetarianism. why do you care?

Foxtails · 25/11/2024 11:31

FigTreeInEurope · 25/11/2024 11:27

Jeez, some of the posters on here.. OP, without meat, your sons will have small penises, and your daughters will be too frail to work in the fields. You're a terrible bean burger weilding menace to the future generation.

Bean burger wielding menace 😂😂

OP posts:
Letmegohome · 25/11/2024 11:31

FigTreeInEurope · 25/11/2024 11:27

Jeez, some of the posters on here.. OP, without meat, your sons will have small penises, and your daughters will be too frail to work in the fields. You're a terrible bean burger weilding menace to the future generation.

And the prize for the most pointless comment (so far ) goes to .....

Isthismykarma · 25/11/2024 11:32

Could we not argue that it’s worse to force feed our children factory farmed dead animals than wait until they’re old enough to decide for themselves if they wish to eat that?
I’m a meat eater fwiw

Thenosleepclub · 25/11/2024 11:33

Ignore them.
I did the same with my kids, even though it was my DH that's the veggie. He wanted them to be veggie until they understood what it was they were eating and it wasn't hard to do so that's what we did. They had a lot of full fat dairy, different cheeses and types of beans and they love nut spread which is a good source of protein.
They eat fish fingers and eat sausages sometimes while out and they are old enough to choose now so sometimes have pepperoni pizza.

Bachellerie · 25/11/2024 11:34

I'm a vegetarian and when I had children I raised them to eat anything and everything as I had previously witness a two year old vegan child at a children's party being told no to everything on the buffet table that all the other children were eating from and she couldn't understand why food was being denied to her and she burst into tears!

Her mother had brought food for her but of course the little girl just wanted to be like all the other children.

My husband is also a vegetarian but we decided to let the children make their own choices as they got older.

Fast forward and at 14 our daughter became a vegetarian for a week and then a vegan and now as an adult is still a vegan.

Adult son is a meat eater but accepts that he hen he visits our home is vegetarian.

deydododatdodontdeydo · 25/11/2024 11:35

It's hilarious that so many posters think your DH can't possibly be on board with this.
Obviously he's a man and men need their meat 😂
DH had this - I was veggie when we met and he turned veggie a few months later. Obviously it couldn't be his own decision - his mean, controlling girlfriend must be forcing him not to eat meat!
I can tell you he's just as passionate and committed as I am, in fact he was the one who wanted to switch to veganism, which we did.
We raised our kids non-vegetarian, which I now regret, though we didn't want to hinder their development.
Though we didn't buy and cook meat, we gave them baby food with meat in, and fish from an early age.
When they went to birthday parties as toddlers, we let them be free to eat cocktail sausages and the like, but they never did.
Once they were old enough to choose they wanted to stop eating fish and the odd bit of meat.
Stick to your guns - ours are adult teens now and still vegetarian. If they choose to eat meat later in life it's their choice.

ChocolateTelephone · 25/11/2024 11:35

DieStrassensindimmernass · 25/11/2024 11:29

If you haven't tasted meat you cannot decide if you enjoy eating meat.

But that’s a different question entirely. You can still be glad you haven’t eaten meat even if you think or know you would enjoy it. If someone is a vegetarian for ethical reasons it’s irrelevant whether they would enjoy eating meat, because enjoyment isn’t the basis of their decision.

ChocolateTelephone · 25/11/2024 11:36

Letmegohome · 25/11/2024 11:31

And the prize for the most pointless comment (so far ) goes to .....

Come off it, it’s a joke!

Letmegohome · 25/11/2024 11:38

ChocolateTelephone · 25/11/2024 11:36

Come off it, it’s a joke!

But adds nothing .... And not funny

BlueFlint · 25/11/2024 11:39

Letmegohome · 25/11/2024 11:31

And the prize for the most pointless comment (so far ) goes to .....

Disagree, I don't think it was pointless, as it made at least one random internet stranger (me) laugh. That's a nice thing, isn't it.🙂

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