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to think boarding schools are no longer ok...

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BaklavaRocks · 24/11/2024 21:11

Inspired by another thread, and some old YouTube documentaries I've recently watched, I can't help but feel boarding schools for under 13's (i.e. boarding prep schools) have had their time.

Maybe they used to be an acceptable option, but with all the research we now have available, showing the damage done by separation of young children from their parents, do you think boarding for v young kids (8/9/10/11) will eventually be banned except in v exceptional circumstances?

And if our politicians including past PMs like Johnson and Cameron were not a product of boarding schools, do you think they'd have more compassion and be less cut off from emotion and feelings? and better able to relate to us common folk?

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XelaM · 24/11/2024 22:39

BaklavaRocks · 24/11/2024 21:14

Here's one of the YouTube docs I recently watched

Ohh I watched this documentary and there was also another one about Sunningdale, which I think was actually meant to be a promotional film, but you felt so awful for those poor homesick kids 😞 that they took it down and now I can't find it.

In the documentary you linked, I just wanted to scream at that mother to take her little girl home!!!!! It was a really tough watch 😭

DeffoNeedANameChange · 24/11/2024 22:39

corkindigo · 24/11/2024 22:32

When you become ill at boarding school, eg stomach bug, do you stay there or go home for a few days?

At my school, it's entirely your choice!

BaklavaRocks · 24/11/2024 22:39

yehal · 24/11/2024 22:36

@BaklavaRocks i couldn’t do it with my child as I would miss them too much. But I know many people who went to boarding school (where I was a day pupil). Vast majority are in happy marriages, balanced, well educated people who live happy lives (at least as far as I can tell). I think it depends on the school and how much parental involvement there is alongside that. It’s not as simple as boarding means an emotional fuck up.

Yeah thanks. I think u r right. It's more nuanced than I sometimes see it as being ...

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WhiteLily1 · 24/11/2024 22:40

pizzapizzadaddio · 24/11/2024 21:30

I feel like it depends on the kid. Many love it. I guess they’d be getting such a high quality of education that it’s probably a decision best weighed up overall. Some of the most well adjusted adults I know are ex boarders. Equally some despise it and that’s very sad.

The issue that bothers me more and I think future generations will look back in horror about is 9-6 childcare for babies from 12 months meaning they only see parents at weekends. And I speak as someone who can’t afford to be a SAHM. I think it’s pretty horrific to separate babies and toddlers from their parents and we’re the first generation who can’t afford to stay at home really (obviously people have always done this but nowadays most of use nursery) We don’t yet know the consequences of this and it’s taboo to discuss. I have never spoken of this to anyone other than my husband. Boarding schools seem to be fair game in a way nurseries are not.

Absolutely.
Thw way most posters here talk about boarding school for an 8year old is exactly what I think of full time childcare for a child under school age.
Both are awful and I would expect both the have life long emotional consequences (no matter how much the parent deems they ‘love it’)
Kids need to be looked after by someone who loves them. Someone who is there day in day out for years who has unconditional love for them.

corkindigo · 24/11/2024 22:40

It's just unfathomable to me, not being with your parents when sick. We had to pick our son up from a residential last week due to a nasty stomach bug (which is why this train of thought came to my mind) he was so distraught to be unwell away from home (despite so insatiably excited for the trip which he loved to that point) and so utterly relieved to be home with us, which to me seems completely natural.

BaklavaRocks · 24/11/2024 22:41

In the documentary you linked, I just wanted to scream at that mother to take her little girl home

Me too :) ...

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BaklavaRocks · 24/11/2024 22:42

corkindigo · 24/11/2024 22:40

It's just unfathomable to me, not being with your parents when sick. We had to pick our son up from a residential last week due to a nasty stomach bug (which is why this train of thought came to my mind) he was so distraught to be unwell away from home (despite so insatiably excited for the trip which he loved to that point) and so utterly relieved to be home with us, which to me seems completely natural.

Ahhhh Hope he's ok now 🤒

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Chowtime · 24/11/2024 22:43

OonaStubbs · 24/11/2024 21:51

I don't see a problem with it. State schools turn out far more fucked up individuals than boarding schools do.

Yes but it isn't the ex state school pupils running the country is it?

corkindigo · 24/11/2024 22:43

@BaklavaRocks yes thank you, such an odd time of year for a residential, spread through the camp like wildfire, poor teachers!!

F1rugby23 · 24/11/2024 22:44

I went and it was terrible for me. My parents worked abroad and the company paid do they thought they were getting a good education for us but didn't really think about the emotional cost. They wanted to send me at 8 but i begged to not go so they made me agree to going the year later, still don't understand why i had to go that young as there were international scools where we were. The first year was awful, i actually had a physcotic episode and was sent home early one term, but no one ever explained it to me properly. My brother also went but we were never at the same school at the same time. I remember feeling so alone and abandoned. The worst thing is I never really had the confidence to take advantage of the opportunity, i just struggled through. I hardly spoke for the first 2 years, today i would have been diagnosed with selective mutism, even though I had been quite chatty at home. I actually feel great shame about the whole thing.

I think I disappointed my parents as i just wanted a family and to feel safe so career wise I haven't really suceeded in a the way they hoped. I just coped with life, and only really gained any confidence when I got married and had my own family. I have really struggled with my oldest going to uni, it's reminded me in reverse of how I felt then. I appear happy and normal on the outside today, but still lack confidence.

MolkosTeenageAngst · 24/11/2024 22:44

BaklavaRocks · 24/11/2024 21:38

11 still seems super young to me! Did you miss your mum or dad cuddles? Miss them tucking you onto bed? Miss having them with you when you were ill?

Hope it's ok to ask (just ignore if not) - how was (and is) your relationship with your mum and dad? Were you and are you close? Is it an affectionate and warm relationship?

I think this comment shows your naivety around parenting and different parenting styles. I was not being ‘cuddled’ by my parents aged 11, in fact I don’t remember ever being hugged by my mum as a child. I wasn’t tucked into bed at night and by the time I was 11 and secondary age if I was ill and off school I was left at home alone as both parents worked and couldn’t/ didn’t want to take time off. I didn’t go to boarding school but don’t assume every child has affectionate, warm, lovey covey parents at home who would be caring for them in this way if they weren’t at boarding school. There are many children who don’t have warm, attentive or emotionally interested parents, some will attend day schools and some boarding schools, I imagine many of those at boarding schools probably fare better that those living with emotionally absent parents.

Becauseurworthit · 24/11/2024 22:44

I don't understand people wanting to take away other parents' choice.

I mean, what has it got to do with anyone else?

I went to boarding school at 11. Loved it. Still close to the girls in my first year dorm decades later.

Didn't send our kids because we have the luxury of better working hours etc and I'd miss them. I know my parents missed me, but they were coping with issues that I only realised years later, they made a call at the time and put a positive spin on it, I am forever grateful they did.

The only scarring I got was probably from a part-time childminder when I was aged about 6 years old - she was truely awful. Everyone else very nurturing.

DeffoNeedANameChange · 24/11/2024 22:45

izimbra · 24/11/2024 22:35

@DeffoNeedANameChange

"If anything, boarding makes more sense now than in the past."

It's always made sense for parents who don't want to spend much time with their children and would rather them be supervised 24/7 by other adults.

My parents sent me and my siblings because they moved country every 3 years and were told it was better for us educationally to have that stability. Mum and dad both left school at 15 and took the advice of better educated peers seriously. My mum has never forgiven herself for letting us go, because she now knows that was a load of shite and we could have got a perfectly adequate education without going to boarding school.

I just meant, having your children away from home makes more sense if you're still able to be in close contact with them.

My school isn't a prestigious Eton/Harrow type. None of our kids have been "sent away" because it's the done thing to do. Most do them are with us because of specific sporting programmes.

mitogoshigg · 24/11/2024 22:45

@BaklavaRocks

State boarding starts at 11 (sometimes 12 in Scotland as their cut off is different) as its standard secondary school, you attend school with the normal day students and there's a hostel for the boarders, there's a bit about it on the calmac ferry documentary on iPlayer. There's a few state boarding schools in England too but you pay sliding scale fees if you are not remote

loopylou3030 · 24/11/2024 22:46

Boarded from the age of 8. Absolutely dreadful. Used to cry myself to sleep sometimes and nobody comes to comfort you. Ran after my mums car once crying and begging her not to leave me, she just drove off. My own son is 8 now and the thought of not being there to cuddle him when he's sad or poorly is unimaginable.

SuperfluousHen · 24/11/2024 22:46

pizzapizzadaddio · 24/11/2024 21:30

I feel like it depends on the kid. Many love it. I guess they’d be getting such a high quality of education that it’s probably a decision best weighed up overall. Some of the most well adjusted adults I know are ex boarders. Equally some despise it and that’s very sad.

The issue that bothers me more and I think future generations will look back in horror about is 9-6 childcare for babies from 12 months meaning they only see parents at weekends. And I speak as someone who can’t afford to be a SAHM. I think it’s pretty horrific to separate babies and toddlers from their parents and we’re the first generation who can’t afford to stay at home really (obviously people have always done this but nowadays most of use nursery) We don’t yet know the consequences of this and it’s taboo to discuss. I have never spoken of this to anyone other than my husband. Boarding schools seem to be fair game in a way nurseries are not.

I totally agree with you about nurseries. 😕

DreamTheMoors · 24/11/2024 22:46

My dad sent my brother to boarding school - only because he went, no other reason.
My mum sat in my brother’s bedroom every day and sobbed, unable to get a grip on herself.
My brother graduated with honours, went to a prestigious university and was extremely successful, and was the most cruel person I’ve ever known.

Raindropskeepfallinonmyhead · 24/11/2024 22:48

loopylou3030 · 24/11/2024 22:46

Boarded from the age of 8. Absolutely dreadful. Used to cry myself to sleep sometimes and nobody comes to comfort you. Ran after my mums car once crying and begging her not to leave me, she just drove off. My own son is 8 now and the thought of not being there to cuddle him when he's sad or poorly is unimaginable.

Oh gosh this is heartbreaking poor 8 year old you xxx

SuperfluousHen · 24/11/2024 22:48

DreamTheMoors · 24/11/2024 22:46

My dad sent my brother to boarding school - only because he went, no other reason.
My mum sat in my brother’s bedroom every day and sobbed, unable to get a grip on herself.
My brother graduated with honours, went to a prestigious university and was extremely successful, and was the most cruel person I’ve ever known.

Oh that’s so chilling. 😢

Maplebean · 24/11/2024 22:48

greenbirds · 24/11/2024 21:35

@BaklavaRocks I've watched the YouTube videos you posted before and, as someone who went to boarding school in the 1980's I found them really upsetting. They vividly brought back memories of feeling so alone and abandoned, and I felt exactly as I remember feeling then. A horrible sort of sinking desolation inside. I was older than the children in the documentary, as was aged 13 when i started, so it must have been even worse for them.

I am sure that boarding has improved since I went, and it wasn't horrific, just really lonely and isolating. I feel as though I kind of 'disappeared' at boarding school. I learnt to completely hide how I felt and just get on with things, regardless of how I felt inside. I am still the same, 35 years later. No-one notices whether I am happy or sad, as I keep it all hidden and don't know how to be any different.

I think boarding is best avoided for younger children and only for those age 13+ if it really is the best option. Many boarders, like me, are from military families so it does allow continuity of education. Parents are generally just trying to do the best for their children but it certainly can come at a price. An often excellent education at the expense of emotional wellbeing for some. A child's personality should also be a factor. If you are very extrovert then boarding school is potentially a lot easier than if you are introverted and need your own space to thrive.

This was really sad to read. My dad went to boarding school and this is exactly how he is so your post is really insightful for me. Sorry you went through that.

Gorgonemilezola · 24/11/2024 22:50

My Dad was offered an amazing job in the ME in the 70s - would have set him and Mum up for life if he'd worked there for 5 years (and we don't come from privilege so it was an incredible opportunity.) It took him 5 minutes to turn the job down after they found out we would have had to go to boarding school in the UK.

Nanny0gg · 24/11/2024 22:50

BaklavaRocks · 24/11/2024 21:23

That's good to hear :) did he go off at age 8? Or was he a bit older? (I can see that my teen might enjoy it at age 16. He'd have survived it and might even have liked it at age 13. He'd have been waaaaay too young at 8! My youngest would never like it, even at 16!)

He was 12. It wasn't hundreds of miles away so he did see family a few times a term at weekends (wasn't bothered - interfered with sport!)

StSwithinsDay · 24/11/2024 22:51

I think it's very interesting that Prince George has not gone to boarding school so far and that he has stayed in Lambrook presumably until he is 13. The Prince of Wales is certainly breaking the mould there..(Lambrook has flexi boarding so he may do that but not the full Eton experience that his father had).

ACatNamedRobin · 24/11/2024 22:55

pizzapizzadaddio · 24/11/2024 21:30

I feel like it depends on the kid. Many love it. I guess they’d be getting such a high quality of education that it’s probably a decision best weighed up overall. Some of the most well adjusted adults I know are ex boarders. Equally some despise it and that’s very sad.

The issue that bothers me more and I think future generations will look back in horror about is 9-6 childcare for babies from 12 months meaning they only see parents at weekends. And I speak as someone who can’t afford to be a SAHM. I think it’s pretty horrific to separate babies and toddlers from their parents and we’re the first generation who can’t afford to stay at home really (obviously people have always done this but nowadays most of use nursery) We don’t yet know the consequences of this and it’s taboo to discuss. I have never spoken of this to anyone other than my husband. Boarding schools seem to be fair game in a way nurseries are not.

@pizzapizzadaddio
SAHM is not something that existed in Central and Eastern Europe - women worked equally to men.

Maternity leave has gotten (much) longer recently but for half a century at least it was just a few months - most now adults in Central and Eastern Europe would have been in childcare as much younger babies (2-3 months).

If this had detrimental effects all of the population of the continent would be affected, which surely they are not.

user44221 · 24/11/2024 22:56

BaklavaRocks · 24/11/2024 22:01

I think it helps people to suppress emotion which means you can keep making tough decisions in life without being impacted emotionally. You can hurt people and be hurt without feeling it. You can learn to be independent and not rely on others or trust in others or care about others.

This can lead to great things (being PM or a CEO) but it can also cause problems in relationships (Boris had how many kids and how many partners?) and cause big problems for others (austerity, Brexit, etc......) .....

A really interesting book on that topic - the author went to boarding school from the age of 8 and is not a fan.

https://www.waterstones.com/book/sad-little-men/richard-beard/9781529114805