It's a shame that Hollywood results in women ruining their looks whilst the men carry on regardless (Wicked)

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I've been looking at videos of the lovely Cynthia from the Wicked movie a few years ago. She looked wonderful and healthy. Now her face is all sharp angles. The same for Ariana who looks dangerously thin. I've heard many say that it's the gruelling film schedules etc but I don't see the male members looking like a lettuce leaf would fill them up.
Isn't it sad that actresses still feel this need to look a certain way whilst men don't

I noticed this, she looked very tall and thin (although she always has been) but her face was different, and not a single wrinkle

Now Nicole Kidman looks VERY odd. Such a shame as she was such a naturally pretty young woman.

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And as for Madonna!

The point was she didn't struggle she was controlled and abused the choice over her eating wasn't hers

Also, Ariana has always been super teeny tiny. No different to how she's always been

No, she hasn't, and furthermore, she's 31 now, not a tiny small girl, she's an adult woman in her thirties with a very clear recent weight-loss. My daughter has an eating disorder and on seeing the trailer for Wicked we turned to each other and said what? How can that be the representation of women we want young girls to see on the screen? It's deeply unhealthy and not at all a natural consequence of Ariana's 'natural frame' and neither is her 'uncanny valley' face.

I was also shocked at a photo of AG and the another photo including several female actors from Wicked where Idina Menzel looked really tall at a very slim 5'4

She would have aged beautifully naturally as well.

Lots of women both in and out of the entertainment industry DO do this.
You only need to scroll on the relationship board to see women querying why their DH of X many years is no longer the same with them or has mentionitis about some young new thing at work.
Society values youth full stop, but particularly when it comes to women.
Of course women should work on themselves and form their self worth outside of their appearance but when you have been socialised for hundreds of years to be just that, it is quite simply not that simple.

How can that be the representation of women we want young girls to see on the screen? It's deeply unhealthy and not at all a natural consequence of Ariana's 'natural frame' and neither is her 'uncanny valley' face.

I can’t think of many Hollywood actresses who haven’t had work & increasingly actors. The majority of them are also very thin. Same for pop stars. It’s very hard to see a natural representation on screen.

@Preppingdonkey it is Ozempic, though, and lately Mounjaro. I noticed about two years ago, before 'normal' people started using these drugs that all of a sudden, many women in the public eye were shrinking to very very thin, as opposed to just slim but with nice rounded bodies. It was about six months prior to Ozempic use by the general public. I guessed they were getting in first- people like Oprah (although she is not very very thin), poor Sharon Osbourne, many C-list celebs in the UK.

I'm not saying there wasn't a pressure to be slim, but this is something else, plus some had buccal fat removal which made them look skeletal as well. Such a shame.

I think with Ariana, she's likely had some subtle work which is why it's hard to put your finger on it and she's lost weight but we're also used to seeing her a bit more tanned. The hair colour and complexion also wash her out.

It's like she is keeping herself in some sort of childlike frame. It's unrealistic. I don't know if it's the industry or herself. Some of the recent interviews were odd for both main characters, which I thought was either tiredness or hunger, or both.

On the flip side, during the movie I had to give myself a talking to - I had a fleeting thought that I should really try and get down to that size. I'm a fully grown adult and I hate to think what young girls might be thinking of Ariana's weight.

@BoopityBoop it's a dangerous thought for sure. My daughter has tried to be this size and she was hospitalized many times. We speculated how these stars who would otherwise be in the eating disorder clinics keep going, I suspect vitamin drips and even less wholesome things. She has also had breast implants which hides just how thin the body is, because the fat loss would be huge there, especially if you didn't have much of a natural chest. Basically, be chronically underweight and then try to insert fat into the desired areas again. It's awful.

^This nails the key point that some PP are missing.

Sure, some men lose weight/change body shape for a role - and that’s the key point: for a role.

There are some roles which require a certain body shape to be convincing and that’s fine. But that’s not the point being made here.

Women aren’t losing weight because the role requires a certain look eg/huge muscles for a superhero.

Women need to be slim and wrinkle-free to carry on getting the general roles while their male counterparts rock a silver fox look, “distinguished” wrinkles, and even a dad bod. And they’re then paired with an actress much younger than them who’s youthful, slim, and attractive. Every fucking time.

The only chance older women have to carry on getting those same types of roles is to stay ultra slim, and fill themselves full of Botox.

There are wild double standards in how society views and treats men and women. Of course you’re free not to engage. But if you’re in an industry where societal opinion matters - like entertainment- you either suck it up and conform, or else get frozen out.

It’s a shitty choice and I agree with some PP has definitely expanded within the general public. I see very few men lying about their weight to get Mounjaro just so they can lose the last few stubborn pounds, risking their health in the process. I see very few men dying their hair and having Botox/fillers routinely. There are certainly some and numbers are increasing, but still vanishingly few compared to women.

We live with very unhealthy attitudes to women, and particularly women ageing.

I thought the same when I saw Nicole Kidman on TV last night. I wondered whether she’s unwell,

Saw a fabulous film a few weeks ago called Hunt for the Wilderpeople, with Sam Neill.

When they worked together in Dead Calm years ago, she was 19, he was 39. (We’ll overlook the creepiness of that for now, time and plac, etc.e). Point is, he’s done nothing and looks like what he is: an attractive, older man. She’s done an awful lot and looks, well, not great. In fact I’d put them at much less than 20 years apart.
The pressure on actresses in particular must be unbearable.

https://www.instyle.com/cynthia-erivo-best-looks-8741853

Compare 2017 or even 2020 to the latest pics

Shes always been thin but her shoulder bones are popping out now! I hope she is ok!

@MrsSkylerWhite

And he's had chemo recently too.

grilled fish and vegetables daily, not an eating issue though, nope:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-14118297/Victoria-Beckham-REAL-reason-extreme-diet-never-cooks.html?ico=articlepreviewwxpmobile

tothelefttotheleft · Today 00:04

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And he's had chemo recently too

Oh I didn’t know that. Hope he’s doing ok.

I’m not saying she hasn’t lost a lot of weight, but this picture doesn’t prove anything. She’s a child here and has the rounded face of a child. She has always been tiny and is a bit tinier now.

I watched The Perfect Couple on Netflix, and just found her really distracting in it, and not in a good way. Her face looks like a porcelain doll mask, her wig was odd and her eyes looks strange (I think she's had them surgically opened). I understand that they must be under immense pressure but there must come a point where they cannot act anymore as they cannot convey any emotion?

There was a film I watched recently and I was a good 40 mins in before I recognised the leading lady as Renee Zellweger (who I am familiar with!)

she's always been tiny and is tinier now😆
Yep, but nope.

Ariana’s breast implants really look obvious now that she is so thin.

I couldn't finish The Perfect Couple and one of the main reasons was Nicole's face. It was too distracting and she'd lost all ability to act because her face just doesn't move!

In a more general point, NK is pushing 60 and yet we're supposed to swallow the idea that at 60 it's perfectly normal to have a shiny smooth wrinkle free face. At about 10 years younger I'm incensed at the notion that any sign of female ageing is unacceptable.

I saw that too. I thought the point of having work done was that it was subtle enough for people not to know you have had it done. She looked like she was wearing a cheap Halloween mask of herself.

I am not familiar with who the other lady was (Cynthia?) but I was mesmerised by her head (I am not a serial killer, honest!). She pulls off the bald look really well. I thought her look was stunning.