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Work Christmas Lunch - Truth or a Lie re. Attendence

144 replies

Recruitmentangst · 21/11/2024 09:26

Just as it says on the tin, really!

Civil servant. Middle management. Decent salary.

Staff Christmas lunch this year is £40?! (Organised by the HEOs - so more junior and therefore lower salary). I feel really awkward saying ‘£40 is to much for two courses, not including any drinks’ when they earn about £30K less than me (pre-tax). But equally…it’s far more money than I want to spend.

So, AIBU to be completely honest (both with my team and with my own line manager) that £40 for Christmas lunch is just too much for me to spend? I don’t want to lie - I don’t think it’s necessary and I don’t think it’s a good example to set and I’m very much a believer of being honest about finances - but equally it feels a tad insensitive to be blunt when my salary is much more…

YABU: suck it up and go, or tell a white lie.

YANBU: £40 is a ridiculous amount to expect people to spend on food alone for a work event and you should be honest.

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NewMrsF · 25/11/2024 14:28

I’m also a civil servant
I think £40 sounds ok, it’s what our Christmas night out is costing (bowling and boot less pizza and drinks).
but people need to stay out of other peoples wallets.
im not going to our night out because im away at another event, we having a second lunch on an office day for those that aren’t going the night. Should cost like £20 each. Which is good

NineDaysQueen · 25/11/2024 14:44

Your finances are not the business of any work colleague let alone your team
Find an excuse. Please don't tell all and sundry your business, it's unprofessional and tacky

NineDaysQueen · 25/11/2024 14:49

Recruitmentangst · 21/11/2024 17:17

@HotCrossBunplease They are fine with the option given, when I said I couldn’t afford it so I wouldn’t be able to go (but I was more than happy for them to go without me) others came out and admitted they couldn’t either.

Part of the reason I said last year it was too expensive was because it was. But, equally, this time last year £40 would have been more doable, but now it’s not. Not with the cost of everything going up and our, quite frankly, abysmal pay rises.

And to those of you saying management should not talk about money…we 100% should. Line managers should be able to have conversation about team socials and costs and issues like that with their team, and if you don’t like your manager being open and honest then that says a lot about you. 😀

It says we have been brought up not to discuss our finances with people who have no business knowing them
And to avoid people, particularly work colleagues, who wish to do so

Northernladette · 25/11/2024 15:01

To much or too much? 😂

WednesburyUnreasonable · 25/11/2024 15:15

Sugarflub · 22/11/2024 08:01

Yes let's make literally everything at work intolerable and take away the last bastions of what might be enjoyable for some.

Don’t know what weird tabloid point about civil service killjoys you’re projecting on my post tbh - my point was that if you are delegating organising something to more junior people, you should still take responsibility for things like making sure they know e.g. that £40 is considered to be too expensive by senior management. If they’d known in advance, they could have tried to organise something cheaper but still more exciting than the nearest Spoons.

mumda · 25/11/2024 15:47

Mince pies and hot chocolate one afternoon would probably be a much better idea. Everyone put a 50p in for mince pies if the top management don't fund it.

godmum56 · 25/11/2024 17:11

NineDaysQueen · 25/11/2024 14:44

Your finances are not the business of any work colleague let alone your team
Find an excuse. Please don't tell all and sundry your business, it's unprofessional and tacky

I disagree.....well kind of. I agree that its tacky to go into details or boast but it can be helpful to others to say stuff like "that's outside my budget this month" As seen here, someone senior having the gumption to be tactfully honest can help more junior or less confident people to get out of an awkward situation. Where I worked, in a management team we were all at various life stages and used to have our management team staff meeting off the premises to get some uninterrupted time. We used to go to a local caffe Uno or pub/coffee bar so we could all get something that suited our pockets at the time and no one thought anything of it. OP I am glad the outcome was a good one.

mitogoshigg · 25/11/2024 17:16

It's the going rate this year, the cheapest i could find was £35 where I am (not London) so we are going to the local Indian instead who is charging £15!

cosietea · 25/11/2024 17:27

Why do people choose to work for the public sector long term? It's utterly miserable. I lasted 18 months and got out of there as soon I as I could. I'm now earning £30k more with plenty of potential to earn more (and a bonus) and I've never paid for a Xmas do.

What is the appeal?

Recruitmentangst · 25/11/2024 17:49

mumda · 25/11/2024 15:47

Mince pies and hot chocolate one afternoon would probably be a much better idea. Everyone put a 50p in for mince pies if the top management don't fund it.

We do a ‘fica’ once a week of coffee and cake (homemade cake, coffee from our Nespresso) or I’d have suggested that!

As it is we’re all massively looking forward to spoons (mostly because we’ll get 10x the amount of food for half the price and we’re a bunch of piggy’s) 😁

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BurntBroccoli · 25/11/2024 17:51

cosietea · 25/11/2024 17:27

Why do people choose to work for the public sector long term? It's utterly miserable. I lasted 18 months and got out of there as soon I as I could. I'm now earning £30k more with plenty of potential to earn more (and a bonus) and I've never paid for a Xmas do.

What is the appeal?

Probably the pension.

BurntBroccoli · 25/11/2024 17:54

I've just spent £24 on 2 coffees, 2 toasties and a bag of crisps from Costa so i guess £40 isn't really that bad.

mumda · 25/11/2024 21:36

Recruitmentangst · 25/11/2024 17:49

We do a ‘fica’ once a week of coffee and cake (homemade cake, coffee from our Nespresso) or I’d have suggested that!

As it is we’re all massively looking forward to spoons (mostly because we’ll get 10x the amount of food for half the price and we’re a bunch of piggy’s) 😁

Edited

What's a fica?

Incognitoburrito88 · 26/11/2024 03:14

Msmoonpie · 21/11/2024 12:24

It’s not so much that you can’t spend tax payers money - it’s more they still have the event but expect staff to pay and want to attend that I find bonkers.

Although clearly some people do.

I would never ever spend my own money for an employer.

I work for the NHS. We’re going for a lunch organised by the secretaries in the department. I’m going because I like my colleagues and think it’s important to make an effort to socialise with other members of the department who I don’t routinely socialise with. I’m not doing it for my employer - I’m doing it because I enjoy spending time with my work friends and because socialising together makes things run more smoothly throughout the year. Also it’s a couple of hours away from the kids three weeks before Xmas - that’s a treat in itself.

Of course the tax payer shouldn’t pay for this. I’m not doing it for my employer I’m doing it for myself.

HoundsOfSmell · 26/11/2024 04:30

Surely the company should be paying? A small acknowledgment of staff hard work.

Bjorkdidit · 26/11/2024 04:47

HoundsOfSmell · 26/11/2024 04:30

Surely the company should be paying? A small acknowledgment of staff hard work.

You must be really out of touch to think that applies in all workplaces, especially the public sector, where the employer pays for nothing that could be seen as frivolous staff entertainment with taxpayers money unless you're an MP.

tuvamoodyson · 26/11/2024 04:57

SurelySmartie · 21/11/2024 11:52

I’m in a similar position and rarely go. It’s not the money (I doubt you’d find many Christmas menus much less than £40 anyway) but primarily because I just don’t want to. I don’t give any reason just politely decline. There are about 40 odd people in my department and no one really cares if I go or not!

Same here. A simple ‘no, I’ll leave it’ worked for me…or they put a list on the wall and you added your name to it if you wanted to go.

Recruitmentangst · 26/11/2024 07:15

YippyKiYay · 26/11/2024 02:55

I had to look this up also
I'm assuming it's fika
https://www.swedishfood.com/fika
Rather than fica
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Insurance_Contributions_Act
😄

yes!! Typo on my part.

But honestly, Fika’s are amazing. Every workplace should have designated fika days

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