Do think that La Leche League are now a danger to babies?

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The bullying described here and the sheer idiocy of insisting by that biological males must be supported in breastfeeding is insane.

AIBU to say they have lost the plot and need to be investigated?

YABU - man milk is as good if not better than women's milk according to activists
"On Monday night, the BBC chose to discuss the man-milk affair with a young woman called Kate Luxion, an unqualified ‘trainee lactation consultant’ and a researcher at UCL. With a composed and serious expression, Luxion insisted that not only was man milk safe, but ‘studies’ had actually found that a trans woman’s milk contained more nutrients than the milk of a baby’s mother. The presenter nodded happily along. Nod, nod, smile, smile. Yep, sounded right to her."

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I agree it should be compared to formula, because its never going to have the feedback changes that breastmilk has - from what I understand there is a natural washback from the baby's saliva that informs the womans body as to what the baby is needing at that time. The male body just doesnt have the physiology for it.

and actually the sooner its done so this appalling situation is stopped in its tracks, the better

What 'reasonable' explanation can you put forward for men wanting to breastfeed or wanting to watch women they don't know breastfeed? I am all ears.

We need to be able to call out perversion. Vulnerable members of society (in this case newborn's and their mothers) need us to protect them.

You're OK with males being assisted to have an excuse for having infants made to suck their nipples?

That's what the problem is, not the medication, not anything else. It's giving males an excuse to have infants suck parts of their body.

My point exactly. Women are controlled when they are pregnant: no alcohol, not allowed certain foods, no medication, watch your heart rate when exercising etc etc. Stupid bars staff telling a pregnant woman she can't have a glass of wine or retail staff stopping her from buying a bottle of wine (which may not be for her anyway).

A male bodied person swans in, takes drugs and it's all fine?

It's not just domperideone that these men are taking it only 1 of several drugs that are taken in combination to produce the excretions in males (its not breast milk).
You however were given 1 drug for presumably a relatively short time to help increase your natural milk production which is a completely different thing and not what is being discussed on this thread

If this isn't your red line I'm going to assume you don't have one.

I just despair

Well quite.

It's just anything goes from here on in, isn't it?

People need to find their moral compasses and start using them.

As a woman who had a lot of problems breastfeeding, I would agree with you if people were actually making statements about the supply that was disparaging women.

The issue is (and was picked up by a pp just upthread), that medical staff encouraging this practice ignore the amount that the infants are receiving. AND that the male people doing this (as was in the case of Buckley and the other male in the study I posted) ignore the fact that they are not making enough to feed their child. Their focus is on the benefit to them!

There is a significant ethical issue in what these medical clinicians are allowing to happen based on the known fact that no male person has ever produced a quantity to feed a child past a certain stage. This is the difference.

Of course women should be encouraged to combination feed and I completely understand the feelings of posters who have had significant issues with organisations and health care professionals that have made them feel that this was not fully acceptable.

So there has been no study but they claim there is one?

When I tried to breastfeed I was unable to produce milk I wasn't offered drugs help or support I was given a bottle and told fed is best

Yes, of course this is true. Go ahead and be offended if you like @HorsePeopleAreStablePeople but it feels like
you are motivated to pretend that using these powerful medicines taken well beyond safe doses is the same thing, when it is clearly not.

I agree

There has never been a study into men breastfeeding because it would never pass an ethics committee.

Thank you. You saved me looking it up.

And it is also the duration! They have to take it early to start the production and they keep taking it.

The quantities for female use have been tested. There is concerns about the interactions with other prescriptions that women need and some women cannot take that drug, I believe.

There was an analysis done on the "milk" that ONE man claimed to have produced (sample was brought in a bottle, his wife was breastfeeding the child also and the sample size was several times as much as he'd ever produced in an entire day) and apparently that 1 sample had all the same nutritional values as the mothers milk and no traces of any of the drugs that the father was taking 🤔 so it's all good for all men to "feed" their child this way 😱. This is the study that the NHS spokesperson use to justify their statements in the article @Helleofabore linked to.

Which makes me wonder why there isn’t an equivalent ethics committee for introducing new ‘treatments’ like this.

To go back to OP’s question, LLL have clearly lost the plot on this, but I am far more concerned about the enabling behaviours and lack of consideration for the babies, displayed by heath organisations, including the NHS

To those who think it should be compared to formula:

The issue is the drug interactions with what they are secreting. And again, it is not just one drug, it is usually multiple drugs AND testosterone that is unreliably suppressed (and suppressed by yet another drug!)

The nutrition has been analysed. And it has been said to be in line with breast milk. But the drug interactions have NOT been tested from the secretions from MALE people.

And the issue with quantity is that these male people mentioned are not combination feeding. They are encouraged to continue by medical clinicians who did not check the quantity and the babies were not receiving enough, WHILE UNDER MEDICAL SUPERVISION.

I don't believe it was tested for drug interaction. That was the issue.
Or Did I forget?

There was an analysis done on the "milk" that ONE man claimed to have produced (sample was brought in a bottle, his wife was breastfeeding the child also and the sample size was several times as much as he'd ever produced in an entire day) and apparently that 1 sample had all the same nutritional values as the mothers milk and no traces of any of the drugs that the father was taking 🤔 so it's all good for all men to "feed" their child this way 😱. This is the study that the NHS spokesperson use to justify their statements in the article @Helleofabore linked to.

And some genderist woman went on the BBC to claim, unchallenged that the male milk was nutritionally superior to women's

https://x.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1804224074916258264

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13553033/BBC-News-report-misleading-trans-womens-milk.html

Have you ever seen the stuff that is expressed when someone has galactorrhea? If not, I can tell you that it some of it looks quite like breast milk, but some of it can be clear or grey/green in colour. It looks closer to something resulting from an infection or something being not right than normal breast milk.

Sorry Excited, I meant that the milk you were producing is naturally produced by your body. As in, it is not produced by male bodies unless that male person has some rare illnesses and even that milk is never tested for other components such as testosterone.

You taking this medication, likely at a much lower dose and for a short duration is not comparative to what is being used in these instances.

Your usage was safe and was carefully monitored. The same is not the same for these male people.

It was claimed to have been tested for the drugs by one of the talking heads on a BBC interview at the time but having looked for that program on the iplayer it seems to have disappeared so it could well have been a lie

I remember. And the BBC had to apologise and admit that that spokesperson had absolutely no expertise in breastfeeding or any medical qualification.

Readers, the BBC had a person qualified in gender identity related subjects on a programme to act as an expert on breast milk.