To try and find some good teens books that don't push the LGBTQ agenda?

[Lifeofthepartay]

Trying to get some books for my daughter who is in S1, books are either too young or they all have a blurb that alludes to the main character's sexual preferences. Would love it if anyone could recommend something your pre-teens, or young teens are reading that don't include those topics? They already get enough information about it in school and the internet.

It’s like you make shit up as you go along in a spiral of virtue signalling and victim language and ask people to swear black is white.

there are four lights…

I don't want anyone in your daughter's private space

So you accept that trans identified males are not female and should never be given access to female spaces of any type?

She might like Maximum Ride series by James Patterson

No

I think your daughter's private space is private and no one should be in there

Whilst I don't believe in "gender identity" or that anyone can change sex, I'm afraid I do have to correct you on the "Western culture" thing. It is far less acceptable and far thus less visible in India and elsewhere but it's not non-existant. How that feeds into the debate regarding social contagion etc I would not like to speculate but it is incorrect to say there are no trans identifying people outside of the West.

It's not far less common in Thailand than the West.

This is an anonymous forum. What on earth do you think I would be getting out of “virtue signalling” on an anonymous forum? ( especially on mumsnet where supporting trans people makes you the devil incarnate in the eyes of the overwhelming majority of users? )

YANBU at all OP. And you’re right, literature has been completely taken over…

Try the children’s classics. Enid Blyton, Arthur Ransome, Noel Streatfeild (A Vicarage Family is hilarious), Gerald Durrell, E Nesbit, Roald Dahl, C S Lewis, J R R Tolkien, JK Rowling, Lewis Carroll, James Herriot. As she gets older introduce Jane Austen.

Agree with pp who suggest Little House on the Prairie, Goodnight Mr Tom, Little Women. The Family at One End Street, Just William (might be a bit young for her now), Carrie’s War, The Worst Witch (again, maybe a bit young but worth a try if not read yet). Biggles if she likes adventure. Agatha Christie when she’s around 13.

Aim for published pre 2005 or so and you should be fine.

Oh yes, Enid Blyton didn't have any female characters that hated being a girl, dressed as boys and insisted everyone called them a boys name.😂

At no point did George think she WAS a boy. It was also written at a time when gender stereotypes were much more rigidly enforced. The whole point of the liberation of the 70/80s was to push against the "gender norms" that apparently have now been reasserted. Except that now, instead of saying it's fine for a girl to want to short hair, we suggest that may well mean they secretly ARE a boy and tell confused and impressionable kids that. Obviously it's more complex than that but I hope the idea is clear. If anything the rigid stereotypes and some of the EB characters that work against them (Bill from Mallory Towers for instance) were really empowering for girls and still could be.

Enid blyton didn't push against gender norms. Also, who is "we"? You and the people you know might tell a girl who wants short hair that they secretly want to be a boy but that doesn't mean everyone does.

Exactly what I was thinking 😂

As far as I remember she hated being a girl and tried to pass as a boy..
( It was all very sexist though of course, so maybe that’s why pp’s on this thread don’t have a problem with it . 🙄)

I never said EB did. I said 70/80s culture did. EB's 'tomboy' characters I think at the time they were written weren't necessarily seen as positive, but came to be so later when we started moving away from "girl" things and "boy" things. Instead of George being a wrong sort of girl, she was celebrated in the 80s.

As to "who says" I really don't have time for a long debate but I literally acknowledged in my post that the short hair comment was my short cut for the very real concern over "affirmation only" approaches when it may not be appropriate.

I always thought Enid Blyton was incredibly sexist and misogynistic even as a child in the 70s.

Any time anyone says "transpeople want to tell girls who cut their hair that they're actually boys" you know they've been drinking the propaganda juice. Girls and boys still have "non conforming" hairstyles and aren't pressured into transitions.

Once again, I'm using that as a very very shorthand way to express the much more complex point that traits that were simply seen as "gender nonconforming" and accepted as such are now, in some instances seen as "evidence" of a trans identity. This is an issue if young children are given the message, as has been the case in material used in some primary schools, that liking these things might mean they are "born in the wrong body" and sets them on a path of body dysphoria, instead of cheering on the fact that you can be male / female and do or wear whatever you like. Anyway, I've been on MN long enough to know how this will go, so, having explained my position several times, I think I'll leave it there.

Your very very short hand is in fact just propagating stereotypes and untruths which are actively harmful

But sure walk away

It's pretty well documented that some of the materials used in primary school education says exactly. Gender as a concept is so difficult to explain in real terms that when it is simplified into age appropriate concepts and language it very much does boil down to "boys who where dresses are probably girls and girls who have short hair and play football are probably boys". The Barbie to action man scale...the trans Cinderella story.

I posted a link earlier in the thread to a book that is being taught in Scottish P5 classes (aged 8/9), in which a girl who hates girly dresses etc becomes a transboy. And ironically- a girl in my daughter's class had very short hair and always wore trousers. It caused her so much distress she has now grown her hair out and wears skirts and stamps about the playground unhappily not being herself. "Herself" is a little girl who just felt happier in trousers but the literature that was supposed to be about acceptance has just lead to conformity.

I wouldn't bother engaging, the thread wasn't even about that and it's turned into an identical trans thread to all the other ones.
The OP was asking for book recommendations that didn't have LGBT sexual preferences in.

Yes, the transphobes will use any excuse to turn a thread which is not about trans issues into one that is.

But most importantly she never insisted she was a boy.

Point at the transphobia.

human’s can’t change sex.

there are only two sexes

sex matters.

And yet you still do, jumping in with your misogynistic, regressive gender stereotypes.

It’s almost as if trans ideology is regressive, sexist and conforming - not to mention authoritarian and judgemental.