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Rachel Reeves lied on her CV was not an “Economist”

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Disappointedagain22 · 16/11/2024 11:33

AIBU - it’s OK to lie to get ahead

AINBU - it’s bad RReeves very Publicly lied about her prior work. We are right to feel annoyed by this lie.

saw this headline and am feeling really disappointed. Think Rachel Reeves needs to tell public exactly her job title.
She changed job title from Economist, to “Retail Banking”
An Economist at a Bank, is a clear and specific job, it’s a economic research position. A good experience for her current position.

”Retail Banking” - is not a job title … she could have been doing anything in a branch from Bank Teller, to Branch manager, or working in back office operations putting bank notes in the plastic bags or in HR.

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DuncinToffee · 17/11/2024 23:23

Clavinova · 17/11/2024 23:19

Well, I was implying that Dutch posters are harmless - contrary to what the pp was implying about foreign posters.

Oh were you now, thanks for standing up for us harmless foreigners.

Clavinova · 17/11/2024 23:24

DuncinToffee · 17/11/2024 23:23

Oh were you now, thanks for standing up for us harmless foreigners.

My pleasure.

Disappointedagain22 · 17/11/2024 23:24

cardibach · 17/11/2024 22:42

As has been pointed out to you before your analogy is flawed. The jobs I had were in schools and required me to have teaching qualifications. They weren’t unskilled. Reeves’ job at HBOS required her to have the economics qualifications she has.
And again, she had the title at the BoE. It’s not possible you’ve missed this every time I (and other posters) have asked you to address your initial lie that she isn’t an economist.

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The thing you don’t like about the analogy, is that you don’t understand it / or doesn’t suit your argument. It is not flawed.

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friendlycat · 18/11/2024 00:29

At the end of the day whether she changed her LinkedIn or not isn’t top of my radar.

What is though is that this country desperately needs growth which comes from the private sector.

Her budget harms business growth which in turn harms the economy and it’s also inflationary.

You absolutely cannot tax your way to growth. You need the private sector to provide the growth in investment, jobs, pay increases, corporation tax etc. Stunt that at your peril. Wealth creators don’t come from government, they come from all forms of private companies large and small, sole traders and large plc corporations. They are the ones that drive the economy it’s just a fact.

Ytcsghisn · 18/11/2024 01:30

Intotheoud · 17/11/2024 21:11

And I do wish all the bad faith foreign actors who seem to be targeting MN and keep starting/popping up on these threads to spread untruths within GB domestic politics would at least bother to adopt English spellings. Amateurs.

oh yeah, anyone who says anything you don’t like, is a bad foreign faith actor, a ‘bot’, a gammon, a fascist, far right, thick, Brexity, any other names you want to.

It shows narrow your world view is that your imaginations extends only as far as to consider these people as bad actors.

Keep going. This is exactly what happened in the US. Call people names, call them conspiracy theorists, call them foreign actors. The name caller are laughing on the other side of their face now.

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 18/11/2024 06:05

Aduvetday · 17/11/2024 21:10

No. It’s to do with the fact we are a high tax low reward country. Higher rate tax payers pay some of the highest rates in the world and see little return. That and their skills aren’t valued - even at higher pay. Our salaries are low. The Tories started the decline, Labour are accelerating it. People don’t mind going abroad and paying similar taxes. People aren’t trying to avoid tax. What people want is to see something for that tax. We won’t over here because we are dependent on a tiny minority. We also aren’t competitive globally with STEM salaries.

We are an economy which has chosen to have low taxes and high personal allowances for the unskilled which are the majority. That’s fine, until you realise the tax base is too small to fund big state. That means the people with skills leave, generally the UK hasn’t been attractive for many years.

Income tax payments are concentrated amongst those with the largest incomes. The 10% of income taxpayers with the largest incomes contribute over 60% of income tax receipts. Source: Commons Library

The socialists on here want us to pay more. Nope, not going to happen. I will avoid, reduce, mitigate to the fullest possible extent.

The socialists are the true rentiers - parasitical off the hard work of others.

Nancy1906 · 18/11/2024 06:44

VimtoVimto · 17/11/2024 19:51

Perhaps I worded it wrong but the department responsible for capital modelling in the retail bank to quantify and manage credit risk over the banks range of products to ensure liquidity, so they comply with the BofE requirements.

Perhaps, you just don't really know what you're talking about?

Do you know why capital modelling is done ?

It came about due to the GFC of 2008/09 banks had to ensure they had enough capital to cover their losses.

Liquidity ramped up in post 2010, because of the GFC.

And really its the Basel accord that dictates capital not the BoE.

There are reporting requirements to the BoE. But that's about it.

A retail bank of Halifax will not be doing this handy work.

RR was there 2006-2009, all these regulatory requirements were rather flimsy back then or in fact none.

summer555 · 18/11/2024 06:45

But I think it’s fair to say that your claim that the reason people feel worse off is because all of the profits have gone to shareholders is wrong.

Yes, that assertion is clearly unfounded. And, frankly, one of the reasons FTSE 100s pay generous dividends is to protect their shareholder base. Look at the performance of the FTSE 100 to the S&P 500 over the last decade and the need for dividends is very clear.

Ownership of U.K. equites by pension funds and UK investors is a tiny proportion of their historic share meaning that ownership by overseas investors hit a historic high of c. 60% in 2022 (source: ONS).

Perhaps we could change the dividend or tax regime on those too and end up with even less investment in the UK? The UK fund managers I work with were desperate to see something to encourage U.K. investors to hold U.K. equities.

Instead they have a raft of measures squeezing corporate profitability and making it even harder to attract investors away from the Magnificent Seven. It's the anthesis of stimulating growth in the private sector.

Zonder · 18/11/2024 07:25

Disappointedagain22 · 17/11/2024 23:24

The thing you don’t like about the analogy, is that you don’t understand it / or doesn’t suit your argument. It is not flawed.

Goodness that's rude. From what I've seen on this thread it's not @cardibach that has a problem understanding.

Zonder · 18/11/2024 07:27

Disappointedagain22 · 17/11/2024 23:20

100% not now, not ever.

So you want to challenge a potential untruth from the chancellor, which has been debunked several times by people here, but you are happy to stick with the untruth of your thread title.

Thanks for confirming. It really was never about actual facts, was it?

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 18/11/2024 07:28

Zonder · 18/11/2024 07:25

Goodness that's rude. From what I've seen on this thread it's not @cardibach that has a problem understanding.

Fake indignation.

Really, must we?

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 18/11/2024 07:32

Zonder · 18/11/2024 07:27

So you want to challenge a potential untruth from the chancellor, which has been debunked several times by people here, but you are happy to stick with the untruth of your thread title.

Thanks for confirming. It really was never about actual facts, was it?

Do you ever start a thread?

If not, why not?

pointythings · 18/11/2024 07:37

Clavinova · 17/11/2024 23:07

Are the Dutch famous for lacking in humour? My post was clearly a joke and I didn't name you.

Ah yes, the 'it was just a joke' defence, deployed by the unpleasant the world over and usd to shut down criticism of any clearly unacceptable utterance. I see you.

Zonder · 18/11/2024 08:00

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 18/11/2024 07:32

Do you ever start a thread?

If not, why not?

What an odd question. Do you?

What would I need to start a thread for? There are plenty already.

Zonder · 18/11/2024 08:01

pointythings · 18/11/2024 07:37

Ah yes, the 'it was just a joke' defence, deployed by the unpleasant the world over and usd to shut down criticism of any clearly unacceptable utterance. I see you.

Banter, innit? Not rude, bullying, xenophobia, racism. Like when it's men on women it's not abuse or anything like that. Just banter.

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 18/11/2024 08:06

Zonder · 18/11/2024 08:00

What an odd question. Do you?

What would I need to start a thread for? There are plenty already.

That’s a no then.

Interesting.

Noted.

Zonder · 18/11/2024 08:10

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 18/11/2024 08:06

That’s a no then.

Interesting.

Noted.

Great. Not sure what you think the importance of that is, but hey maybe you can get a brownie badge for starting threads.

DuncinToffee · 18/11/2024 08:20

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Zonder · 18/11/2024 08:24

Now that's an interesting question @DuncinToffee

Notonthestairs · 18/11/2024 08:29

Is the suggestion that you can only be a valid MNer if you start threads? because that would eradicate a large proportion of posters and readers and probably isnt something MN wants to encourage.

BIossomtoes · 18/11/2024 08:40

And do you exist at all if you lurk but never post?

Notonthestairs · 18/11/2024 08:41

Presumably all the lurkers are Dutch and know their place.

louddumpernoise · 18/11/2024 08:44

summer555 · 17/11/2024 08:46

there isn't a mass exodus of people leaving the U.K.

There is (it's been covered extensively in the FT and the Guardian). The U.K. is on track to lose more high net worth individuals than any other country, bar China, this year.

Source (from the FT last month): "The UK is expected to lose the greatest proportion of millionaires in the world over the next four years, according to research. Analysis from economic think tank the Adam Smith Institute found the share of the population who are millionaires will fall by 20 per cent by 2028."

And from Hansard: "It is important to remember that the top 5% of taxpayers are projected to pay nearly half of all income tax in 2023-24; and the top 1% as much as 28%. "

I'd be amazed if we don't have a net loss in tax revenue which, given the level of public debt, should concern people a lot more than it seems to.

So they ve not yet left? its a figure derived by a right wing think tank, with of course, no agenda at all?

How does the UK compete with 0% tax regimes? such as the UAE? the UK has more, proportionately, more millionaires than other countries and our tax rates are very competitive compare to Western European countries.

The only reason the vast majority do not pay so much income tax, is that for the last 14 or so years, wage rises have been kept very low, meanwhile the wealthy have seen their wealth sky rocket.

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 18/11/2024 08:45

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Just so we are clear.

Are you stating that?

PandoraSox · 18/11/2024 08:56

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 18/11/2024 06:05

Income tax payments are concentrated amongst those with the largest incomes. The 10% of income taxpayers with the largest incomes contribute over 60% of income tax receipts. Source: Commons Library

The socialists on here want us to pay more. Nope, not going to happen. I will avoid, reduce, mitigate to the fullest possible extent.

The socialists are the true rentiers - parasitical off the hard work of others.

We don't have a socialist Government, so no need to worry your head about what the "parasitical off the hard work of others" socialists desire. They are not going to get it.

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