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Rachel Reeves lied on her CV was not an “Economist”

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Disappointedagain22 · 16/11/2024 11:33

AIBU - it’s OK to lie to get ahead

AINBU - it’s bad RReeves very Publicly lied about her prior work. We are right to feel annoyed by this lie.

saw this headline and am feeling really disappointed. Think Rachel Reeves needs to tell public exactly her job title.
She changed job title from Economist, to “Retail Banking”
An Economist at a Bank, is a clear and specific job, it’s a economic research position. A good experience for her current position.

”Retail Banking” - is not a job title … she could have been doing anything in a branch from Bank Teller, to Branch manager, or working in back office operations putting bank notes in the plastic bags or in HR.

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Aduvetday · 17/11/2024 19:37

daliesque · 17/11/2024 19:16

The truth of it - I suspect - is that all the right wing shit rags named above are being liberal with the term "back office" which means any role that doesn't generate revenue.

Forgive the slight derail but the attitude by some right wingers that the only people of worth in this country are those who are the so called "wealth creators" (even though that wealth is only kept within a small group do people) really pisses me off.

I don't create wealth. No one I work with does either.

What we do, as doctors, nurses, AHPs, HCAs, administrators, managers, porters, cleaners, kitchen staff and everyone else who works in a hospital (actually the entire NHS) is save lives, heal people, look after the sick and - if you want to put a financial value on it - ensure that people are well enough to work/return to work/continue working.

All of us are in those positions because the majority of us benefitted from state education. Those pesky teachers and other education workers who taught us to read, write and pass the endless exams we needed to get into the positions we are today....where we can save lives.

If those roles are less important than these saintly "wealth creators" then you will get the public sector you deserve.

Great. How do you do all of that without scientists and engineers developing equipment. Cyber security specialists which prevent your systems being crippled and 1000s of life saving ops cancelled…oh wait. Many people in the STEM industry are leaving.

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 17/11/2024 19:41

Aduvetday · 17/11/2024 19:37

Great. How do you do all of that without scientists and engineers developing equipment. Cyber security specialists which prevent your systems being crippled and 1000s of life saving ops cancelled…oh wait. Many people in the STEM industry are leaving.

Terrific reply.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 17/11/2024 19:41

daliesque · 17/11/2024 19:16

The truth of it - I suspect - is that all the right wing shit rags named above are being liberal with the term "back office" which means any role that doesn't generate revenue.

Forgive the slight derail but the attitude by some right wingers that the only people of worth in this country are those who are the so called "wealth creators" (even though that wealth is only kept within a small group do people) really pisses me off.

I don't create wealth. No one I work with does either.

What we do, as doctors, nurses, AHPs, HCAs, administrators, managers, porters, cleaners, kitchen staff and everyone else who works in a hospital (actually the entire NHS) is save lives, heal people, look after the sick and - if you want to put a financial value on it - ensure that people are well enough to work/return to work/continue working.

All of us are in those positions because the majority of us benefitted from state education. Those pesky teachers and other education workers who taught us to read, write and pass the endless exams we needed to get into the positions we are today....where we can save lives.

If those roles are less important than these saintly "wealth creators" then you will get the public sector you deserve.

I don’t think anyone’s disputing that. But we do need some people to create wealth to pay for the public sector, and to improve the public sector we need money, which means we need growth. You can’t tax your way to growth. Indeed, you can’t even tax your way to constantly increasing expenditure.

We have been told that some of the increased spending requirements will be funded by growth, and us becoming the fastest growing economy in the G7. But, almost 10% of the way through their term there is no sign of a plan for growth. Indeed, growth has been revised down. Meanwhile, through weasel worlds of ‘not impacting anyone pay packet’ but actions that do impact people’s pay people in the private sector are worse off. At the same time, inflation is forest to increase, unemployment to increase and mortgage rates to remain higher than previously forecast.

It’s reasonable in a thread about the chancellor (back in my day, a degree in PPE stood for Poorly Prepared for Employment…) to raise the issue of growth, and try to understand what people think the budget has done for growth. Or indeed what the plan for growth is, as the businesses and wealth creators that need to deliver growth seem to also to have been quickly disillusioned, responding to the higher costs by reducing investment and jobs, or moving themselves and shifting investment offshore. It’s in everyone’s best interests to have a strong private sector, but that fact seems to elude some on the left.

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 17/11/2024 19:42

daliesque · 17/11/2024 19:16

The truth of it - I suspect - is that all the right wing shit rags named above are being liberal with the term "back office" which means any role that doesn't generate revenue.

Forgive the slight derail but the attitude by some right wingers that the only people of worth in this country are those who are the so called "wealth creators" (even though that wealth is only kept within a small group do people) really pisses me off.

I don't create wealth. No one I work with does either.

What we do, as doctors, nurses, AHPs, HCAs, administrators, managers, porters, cleaners, kitchen staff and everyone else who works in a hospital (actually the entire NHS) is save lives, heal people, look after the sick and - if you want to put a financial value on it - ensure that people are well enough to work/return to work/continue working.

All of us are in those positions because the majority of us benefitted from state education. Those pesky teachers and other education workers who taught us to read, write and pass the endless exams we needed to get into the positions we are today....where we can save lives.

If those roles are less important than these saintly "wealth creators" then you will get the public sector you deserve.

Being blunt - many of those roles are low skilled, with low barriers to entry.

Clavinova · 17/11/2024 19:43

poetryandwine · 17/11/2024 19:18

What difference does it make? PP are quibbling over whether RR deserves the designation ‘Economist’.

Most Chancellors have lacked any Economics qualification whatsoever so I am unsure of the relevance of your comment

I didn't mention Margaret Thatcher as a comparison though - you did. Jeremy Hunt, who studied PPE at Oxford and then co-founded a multi-million pound business is arguably better qualified for the role than Rachel Reeves.

DuncinToffee · 17/11/2024 19:44

Aduvetday · 17/11/2024 19:37

Great. How do you do all of that without scientists and engineers developing equipment. Cyber security specialists which prevent your systems being crippled and 1000s of life saving ops cancelled…oh wait. Many people in the STEM industry are leaving.

What are they going?

BIossomtoes · 17/11/2024 19:45

Clavinova · 17/11/2024 19:43

I didn't mention Margaret Thatcher as a comparison though - you did. Jeremy Hunt, who studied PPE at Oxford and then co-founded a multi-million pound business is arguably better qualified for the role than Rachel Reeves.

The Jeremy Hunt who was promising tax cuts if his party won the election? That Jeremy Hunt?

DuncinToffee · 17/11/2024 19:47

BIossomtoes · 17/11/2024 19:45

The Jeremy Hunt who was promising tax cuts if his party won the election? That Jeremy Hunt?

The same Jeremy Hunt who didn't inform the OBR of the government's spending plans?

EasternStandard · 17/11/2024 19:49

Tryingtokeepgoing · 17/11/2024 19:41

I don’t think anyone’s disputing that. But we do need some people to create wealth to pay for the public sector, and to improve the public sector we need money, which means we need growth. You can’t tax your way to growth. Indeed, you can’t even tax your way to constantly increasing expenditure.

We have been told that some of the increased spending requirements will be funded by growth, and us becoming the fastest growing economy in the G7. But, almost 10% of the way through their term there is no sign of a plan for growth. Indeed, growth has been revised down. Meanwhile, through weasel worlds of ‘not impacting anyone pay packet’ but actions that do impact people’s pay people in the private sector are worse off. At the same time, inflation is forest to increase, unemployment to increase and mortgage rates to remain higher than previously forecast.

It’s reasonable in a thread about the chancellor (back in my day, a degree in PPE stood for Poorly Prepared for Employment…) to raise the issue of growth, and try to understand what people think the budget has done for growth. Or indeed what the plan for growth is, as the businesses and wealth creators that need to deliver growth seem to also to have been quickly disillusioned, responding to the higher costs by reducing investment and jobs, or moving themselves and shifting investment offshore. It’s in everyone’s best interests to have a strong private sector, but that fact seems to elude some on the left.

This is well put. There's no point in driving down the private sector, it will impact the public sector after some time.

Clavinova · 17/11/2024 19:49

BIossomtoes · 17/11/2024 19:45

The Jeremy Hunt who was promising tax cuts if his party won the election? That Jeremy Hunt?

Mostly tax cuts later in the term though and he was rumoured to be cutting the overseas climate aid pledge in the short-term which I didn't mind.

bombastix · 17/11/2024 19:50

daliesque · 17/11/2024 19:16

The truth of it - I suspect - is that all the right wing shit rags named above are being liberal with the term "back office" which means any role that doesn't generate revenue.

Forgive the slight derail but the attitude by some right wingers that the only people of worth in this country are those who are the so called "wealth creators" (even though that wealth is only kept within a small group do people) really pisses me off.

I don't create wealth. No one I work with does either.

What we do, as doctors, nurses, AHPs, HCAs, administrators, managers, porters, cleaners, kitchen staff and everyone else who works in a hospital (actually the entire NHS) is save lives, heal people, look after the sick and - if you want to put a financial value on it - ensure that people are well enough to work/return to work/continue working.

All of us are in those positions because the majority of us benefitted from state education. Those pesky teachers and other education workers who taught us to read, write and pass the endless exams we needed to get into the positions we are today....where we can save lives.

If those roles are less important than these saintly "wealth creators" then you will get the public sector you deserve.

Well of course during COVID then such people kept working and were key.

People have conveniently short memories

VimtoVimto · 17/11/2024 19:51

Nancy1906 · 17/11/2024 12:44

This is utter rubbish. A retail bank is like your Santander down the high street , offering mortgages, loans and credit cards. They do not have their own compliance department!

Perhaps I worded it wrong but the department responsible for capital modelling in the retail bank to quantify and manage credit risk over the banks range of products to ensure liquidity, so they comply with the BofE requirements.

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 17/11/2024 19:53

DuncinToffee · 17/11/2024 19:44

What are they going?

North America, Middle East, Asia, Australia.

Not Watford…

Lemonyfuckit · 17/11/2024 19:55

Look, I'm not a fan of many things in the budget but I do think she did lie. I know this sounds a bit tenuous but the son of a friend of my mum's used to work with her at the BoE and apparently said she was an extremely talented economist.

Aduvetday · 17/11/2024 19:56

DuncinToffee · 17/11/2024 19:44

What are they going?

Depends what industry. Finance, tech, etc. Switzerland, Singapore, Aus, USA other EU counties. In my company it could literally be any country in the western world. Offices everywhere.

Lemonyfuckit · 17/11/2024 19:57

*don't think she did lie that should read....

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 17/11/2024 19:57

Meantime, a cold snap is coming.

Expect some headlines re the WFA cuts…

EasternStandard · 17/11/2024 19:57

bombastix · 17/11/2024 19:50

Well of course during COVID then such people kept working and were key.

People have conveniently short memories

I think short memories over what damaging the private sector does generally.

poetryandwine · 17/11/2024 20:00

BIossomtoes · 17/11/2024 19:45

The Jeremy Hunt who was promising tax cuts if his party won the election? That Jeremy Hunt?

Thank you, @Blossomtoes. He was also Chancellor during a good portion of thecliw growth period I have referenced above.

Appleandoranges · 17/11/2024 20:02

It's a bit disappointing that in a forum for women, we have a title falsely claiming that the first female chancellor lied about being an economist. When she clearly didn't. Instead of saying congratulations Rachel Reeves for becoming the first female Chancellor, someone is doubting she is an economist despite her degrees in Oxford and LSE and her working in the Bank of England!

DuncinToffee · 17/11/2024 20:03

Aduvetday · 17/11/2024 19:56

Depends what industry. Finance, tech, etc. Switzerland, Singapore, Aus, USA other EU counties. In my company it could literally be any country in the western world. Offices everywhere.

More to do with brexit than the budget then?

DuncinToffee · 17/11/2024 20:06

poetryandwine · 17/11/2024 20:00

Thank you, @Blossomtoes. He was also Chancellor during a good portion of thecliw growth period I have referenced above.

His tenure as Health Secretary was als a big success...

Thepurplepig · 17/11/2024 20:06

hettie · 16/11/2024 11:45

I am assuming this "information" has come to you from a filtered "news" feed? Because as well as working for the Halifax she was also an economist at the Bank of England. So what you're saying makes no sense. No lies have been told....
If you read something that gets the blood pressure up it's always worth a quick triangulation to see if other sources are saying the same thing. Then you can save yourself the agro of getting wound up about nothing.

Yeah she was an economist at the BOE. Sure she was. The closest she got was making their tea.

PandoraSox · 17/11/2024 20:08

Thepurplepig · 17/11/2024 20:06

Yeah she was an economist at the BOE. Sure she was. The closest she got was making their tea.

We have already had the "making the tea" witticism.

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