To think this is an unacceptable wage?

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I'm a qualified teacher with 21 years' experience who has just started supply so flexibility with a poorly husband and three kids of my own.
Just did a full day supply (8.30-3.30) and came out with £112 net.
Hubby thinks decent wage, I think piss-take!
Opinions please!

I think this is what is being overlooked by many posters.
The OP is being paid £140 gross for a maximum 6.5 hour day with no responsibility beyond those hours. They are working a part time casual role that doesn't require their full skill set.

I know like the super intelligent junior doctors claiming they get paid the same (the newly qualified net hourly rate) as a tiny minority of Pret staff on a hot spot gross rate (eg those working night shift in an air side security location)

I used to be a teacher, retrained as an electrician, today I will mosey into a local school at around lunchtime, sort out a few technical issues with the heating controls and leave at about 4.00, my invoice for £250 plus materials with a 20% mark up will be considered very reasonable.

Over the summer hols of 6 weeks I worked non stop across 4 schools doing fixed wiring inspections and invoiced a total of £75,000 for the 6 weeks, I was the cheapest quote, only labour, no materials.

I don't regret leaving teaching😁

Interesting calculations @ShinyShona

Specialist supply here. £40 per hour

I agree.... supply teachers don't get any paid holidays , or sick pay either so rate is to incorporate that too.

Pay is determined by what the schools can pay to the agency. For day to day absence -most Most state schools now just pay a cover supervisor to babysit the kids in a large hall to do worksheets, so you are lucky to get any ‘work’ at all.

@ihaterain2024

Yes foster caring is very much a job.

Perhaps that says a lot about how much foster carers and what they do are valued.

Its a job that fits with my values and skills. After 35 years in the civil service I wanted to do something more front line.

It's a valid a 'choice' as working in a supermarket.

I have actually worked in a supermarket 20 years ago, had to leave because of a back problem. I doubt at 59 it would be any easier, so actually no, I probably couldn't choose to work in a supermarket.

Someone upthread made a point about it not being helpful to compare hourly rates.
As a salary It's not bad, break it down to hourly rates it looks very poor, given that I effectively work 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Given that you can only earn £242 per week before tax and NI kick in, and assuming this is a second job, this rate is just £20 per hour less 20% tax
If you were on minimum wage in the same scenario take home pay would be £9.15ph

OP was a HLTA until September, so perhaps she could go back to that instead.

What is specialist supply please? Do you mean for children with additional needs?

If you’re doing supply so you can be flexible for husband and children and not reliable to turn up on a daily basis unless you agree, then I’d say I think you should expect to earn less.

No I’m not, I earn 56k which is near the top end for my specialty, level and city.

I could earn more if I became a lead but I don’t want to do that because I CBA.

She didn’t enjoy that either

You may have 21 years experience, but this is a casual role and not full time hours (8.30-3.30 is 7 hours and less if you have a lunch break). You don’t have many responsibilities outside of the school day as supply. Are you doing the same job role as someone with less experience l? I’d expect someone with your years experience to have gone for roles with more responsibility and management roles if you want higher pay.

Although, as you say, with the years of university under your belt, as well as your 21 years of experience, etc, added to that, it doesn't seem a fair wage.

Nowadays though, you can learn on the job, as such, without spending 3 years at uni, which I think is devaluing the profession so these wages will be more common.

That’s decent give the hours! If you want more then take a full time role and become HOD or a deputy. DFriend is one of 6 deputies at a state High school and on circa £80k .

It’s crap pay, but teaching isn’t the thing to be in if you want to be well paid!

It’s supply. That’s why it’s that pay.

Rainingsnoring yes

It's the job that gets the pay, not the person. Same in nursing - you can be qualified 5 years or 30 years, if you're doing a band 5 job with band 5 responsibilities, you get band 5 pay. Supply teaching doesn't have many of the responsibilities of a substantive post, so the pay is less.

Yes it’s good pay for those hours and the casual, low responsibility role.

Exactly. It’s the role not the person.

Not really comparable though as a cleaner will have to drive there and back for a 1-2 hour job and the next week or month will likely no longer be required. Also, while “simple” work, it’s often quite unpleasant in terms of work environment and the specifics of the job. Teaching certainly has its moments, but I’d generally rather be standing in front of a class in a cosy classroom than be bent over some strangers toilet or dirty bathroom sink. At the end of the day though it’s supply and demand.

I agree with your "hubby" - it's a decent wage for the job you're doing and the lack of responsibility and flexibility supply teaching allows you.

Your experience and education is irrelevant.

Also you clearly don't understand the difference between gross and net pay, and have failed to recognise what the tax implications are of having a second job.

My opinion (as you asked for them ) is if you don't like it, do something else.