To think this is an unacceptable wage?

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I'm a qualified teacher with 21 years' experience who has just started supply so flexibility with a poorly husband and three kids of my own.
Just did a full day supply (8.30-3.30) and came out with £112 net.
Hubby thinks decent wage, I think piss-take!
Opinions please!

Me too.

Wow!

I'm in the wrong job! :)

Degrees are meaningless these days.

Honestly, OP, I think you're getting worked up about something which sounds fair. Many of us have earned less than that, with as many/more qualifications. I've an UG degree, Masters, and PhD, and work as senior Professional Services in a University. I earn just over £50k, and work a 50-60 week as standard.
My Dad was a class teacher in Secondary Geography, and earned less....

As others have said, you're confusing your net with gross minimum wage. You're getting your pension contributions, etc. removed before you receive that £16ph. On that basis, I get about £18.50ph.

Wages are low across the board, even in corporates compared to other similar countries. This is subjective, based on my experience in my current sector (tech). When I was doing my retraining for this career I had a semi-skilled manual job to cover bills. V. limited training. In that job I could earn up to 25/26ph at weekend nights; granted it’s a hard physical job that many couldn’t or wouldn’t do. It made me think, with pay rising like this at the bottom, when will we see mid- level pay going up?

It's supply ? It's not a full time post, you're not setting work, you're not marking, no other responsibilities, no meetings, duties or parents evenings. It's doesn't matter what your experience is, you'll get supply rate

Ffs. We are all degreed professionals! That a base level norm.

Degreed professionals on here have said that they make the same money

I read about this. I think the cover teacher role (I think it is the higher level teaching assistant?) is arguably "better paid" than being a teacher if you think about it! A teacher will typically be on around £40k gross per annum whereas I think a higher level teacher assistant can make up to £28k term time only (I think).

Now crunch the numbers because unless I am missing something, this is a bit of a scandal!

First, apply income tax and national insurance to get net salaries:

Teacher: £32.3k
HLTA: £23.7k

Then factor in the teacher's student loan repayment:

Teacher: £31k
HLTA: £23.7k

Next, work out how many hours they work. An HLTA will work term time only and only during school hours so 6 hours a day 38 weeks a year (around 1,140?). Teachers tend to work more hours on lesson prep, marking, courses and planning over the holidays. I have no idea how much this would be but I think 2 hours extra per day term time and a 10 hour work week in holidays would be a very conservative estimate so around 1,600?

Hourly rates:

Teacher: £19.50
HLTA: £20.50

I hope the extra pension makes up for it.

YABU. You need to get a grip on reality. You are being paid £16 and hour. You rock up with no preparation needed, and leave bang on time taking nothing home at all. And you've been paid for your lunch hour in that time too and breaks. And the total time is only 7hrs! Its people like you that give teachers a bad rep for being lazy.
To give you a realisty check you are paid £4 and hour kore than someone who works for the Ambulance service. Who literally saves lives every single day. Who also doesn't get paid for thir lunch break (as don't most working people.) And who also does 12 hrs shifts. Get a grip and stop moaning.

In 2008, whilst I gained experience to apply for a PGCE, I worked as a supply cover supervisor (unqualified supply teacher) and was paid £80 per day. I find it really disheartening how little supply teachers.

I think some cleaners are absolutely making loads!

People always need their houses cleaned, after all.

It's about demand, more than if you're a degreed professional.

How have you calculated the gross wage of £42k?

@CraftyNavySeal I do see your point. I would argue that a more experienced teacher would generally add more value (not always) in the same way a more experienced counsellor, for example, might 'add value'. I'm not sure how this compares to your particularly field but I do think you are underpaid too.

I have thought about cleaning as would pay better?

You said £140 a day gross.

10 years ago I was earning £150 a day as a supply teacher so it does sound a bit on the low side. I was offered £180 a day to rejoin an agency recently, which I turned down as I'm no longer teaching.

Could you ask the agency for more? Maybe give it half a term to demonstrate that you're good at what you do and then ask for a better rate?

Good wage. I wouldn't whinge over that

You earn 1400 a month for working 2.5 days a week? So over 28 days you work the equivalent of 10?? But don't think you're being paid enough!?? Wow.

Sure why not try it as a side Job and see if you like it

The definition of “acceptable “ when you are in the public sector is highly subjective so I doubt you will receive a majority of yanbu. But teaching supply doesn’t seem to be as financially beneficial as if I did locum work in my own allied health profession .

It's atrocious OP, but wages in this country are.

Isn't a supply teacher a glorified babysitter. You're not doing the work or hours of a teacher

It could but I wouldn't underestimate the work at the "top end." I think the cleaners at work do an incredible job, I certainly don't think it is unskilled work.

I think YABU.

That's 7 hrs with an hour off for lunch, I presume? Lunch isn't normally paid, so £112 for 6 hrs work isn't bad.

That works or at £18.67 ph, which is a decent wage for no responsibility outside those hours.

Goady and nasty.

And no it isn't.

Yes plenty of us have now made this point, which op has chosen to ignore.

Actually I agree with you OP.
Cleaners in my area charge £18 - £20 cash in hand.

I would rather my kids teacher is paid more than my cleaner... just due to the years of study and the qualifications.