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A baby red panda at Edinburgh zoo choked on her own vomit in terror at the fireworks last week

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OptimismvsRealism · 13/11/2024 23:06

Aibu to think the time has come to ban this bullshit?

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DdraigGoch · 15/11/2024 23:10

You are aware that giant pandas and red pandas are not the same, aren't you?

Grammarnut · 16/11/2024 00:09

OptimismvsRealism · 13/11/2024 23:06

Aibu to think the time has come to ban this bullshit?

Yes, YABU. Edinburgh Zoo should have taken more care of its infant pandas since it knew when there would be fireworks. There are also already sufficient laws governing fireworks as to time and place - we don't need any more.

Grammarnut · 16/11/2024 00:12

Areolaborealis · 15/11/2024 05:29

We can dress it up however we like and call it a den/enclosure - its not their natural habitat is it? They are not free to roam.

Ultimately, having pandas at Edinburgh zoo in the name of conservation is not really working for them. Two are dead and the others were sent back to China after a decade of failed breeding attempts.

We can dress it up. Or be realistic, if you want to breed pandas to stop them becoming extinct, then a zoo is the only place to do it, and it has to pay its way.

Grammarnut · 16/11/2024 00:16

Serencwtch · 14/11/2024 15:27

Yes exactly. We know that fireworks damage the sensitive hearing/navigation systems in migratory birds & bees which leads to their death. Hedgehogs preparing to hibernate can also affected.

That's just the bangs - the pollution & litter from rockets landing in livestock fields & wildlife areas also kills.

We have buzzards, kites & owls nesting on the farm - all of which are in decline.

We found a dead buzzard last week - no way of knowing how/why it died but the recent fireworks could have been to blame.

So why was the organised display allowed at all? Does the school own the farm?

DdraigGoch · 16/11/2024 01:07

Grammarnut · 16/11/2024 00:16

So why was the organised display allowed at all? Does the school own the farm?

Who's going to stop them? Currently anyone can organise a display, there is no need to get permission. That should change.

wavingfuriously · 16/11/2024 02:22

nocoolnamesleft · 13/11/2024 23:25

This rather suggests it.

Poor little thing...fireworks terrible for all animals and some people.

Serencwtch · 16/11/2024 07:17

Grammarnut · 16/11/2024 00:16

So why was the organised display allowed at all? Does the school own the farm?

The school is next to the farm so any fireworks are directly over the farm buildings & fields.

There are currently no laws or restrictions preventing them from holding a display there. The guidelines state 'fireworks should not be set off near farm buildings or fields where there are horses or livestock' These are guidelines only so there are no penalties for ignoring them & nothing we can do.

We strongly objected but they repeated it this year.

I think there needs to be restrictions put in place by the government. They need to define what is meant by 'near a farm' eg 500m and make it illegal to set off fireworks within that restricted zone.

Grammarnut · 16/11/2024 11:33

Serencwtch · 16/11/2024 07:17

The school is next to the farm so any fireworks are directly over the farm buildings & fields.

There are currently no laws or restrictions preventing them from holding a display there. The guidelines state 'fireworks should not be set off near farm buildings or fields where there are horses or livestock' These are guidelines only so there are no penalties for ignoring them & nothing we can do.

We strongly objected but they repeated it this year.

I think there needs to be restrictions put in place by the government. They need to define what is meant by 'near a farm' eg 500m and make it illegal to set off fireworks within that restricted zone.

I agree with you. The school is thoughtless - though I take it this is the village school, so maybe difficult to find a field not near a farm? But there must be somewhere!

StandingSideBySide · 16/11/2024 11:43

Grammarnut · 16/11/2024 11:33

I agree with you. The school is thoughtless - though I take it this is the village school, so maybe difficult to find a field not near a farm? But there must be somewhere!

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The school should be teaching the children it’s dangerous to set fireworks off near animals and not have a display in its current location.
Why don’t you send the school a bill for the loss to your business, with photos.
Plus if it is a village school maybe put leaflets through everyone’s door asking for support, or hand them out at the school gates. Id like to think if kids and parents knew what was going on they’d be shocked and support you @Serencwtch

Areolaborealis · 17/11/2024 11:04

DdraigGoch · 15/11/2024 23:10

You are aware that giant pandas and red pandas are not the same, aren't you?

Yes and neither are native to Edinburgh city centre which is the issue.

Judgejudysno1fan · 17/11/2024 11:06

I hate fireworks. It basically is throw money into the air for the sake of a few seconds, followed by animals terrified. It's disgusting really waste of money and time

mm81736 · 17/11/2024 11:28

Why would organised displays be any less frightening to animals? They usually seem to be bigger and louder fireworks.

PyongyangKipperbang · 17/11/2024 22:37

mm81736 · 17/11/2024 11:28

Why would organised displays be any less frightening to animals? They usually seem to be bigger and louder fireworks.

Because they need to be approved, with notifications etc. If only organised events happened then places like animal shelters, zoos etc could prepare and arrange as best they can to protect their animals. Same goes for pet owners. If you live near a place that has a display on you could arrange for kennels or a "sleep over" for your pet somewhere further away for example.

I dont do pets but I know from me NDN who have dogs that its the random fireworks between mid October to NYE that are the problem. They are prepared for Bonfire Night and the weekends either side (and now Halloween as a lot of people seem to have fireworks then too), but a random Friday night with a load of fireworks is what sets their dogs off worse.

mm81736 · 17/11/2024 22:59

PyongyangKipperbang · 17/11/2024 22:37

Because they need to be approved, with notifications etc. If only organised events happened then places like animal shelters, zoos etc could prepare and arrange as best they can to protect their animals. Same goes for pet owners. If you live near a place that has a display on you could arrange for kennels or a "sleep over" for your pet somewhere further away for example.

I dont do pets but I know from me NDN who have dogs that its the random fireworks between mid October to NYE that are the problem. They are prepared for Bonfire Night and the weekends either side (and now Halloween as a lot of people seem to have fireworks then too), but a random Friday night with a load of fireworks is what sets their dogs off worse.

This happened on bonfire night, I thinknthey should have been able to predict fireworks then!

PyongyangKipperbang · 18/11/2024 00:47

mm81736 · 17/11/2024 22:59

This happened on bonfire night, I thinknthey should have been able to predict fireworks then!

Well yes, so what is your point? You asked what difference organised displays would make, I answered. I didnt say that I had the solution to everything, simply that in my opinion, only organised displays being allowed would give animal carers more time and information to protect the animals in their care.

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