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Sara Sharif case - update - horrifying

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amIloud · 13/11/2024 12:21

This case is just beyond the realms of horrifying,

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgl461xwg3do

This poor child.

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Sunshineandrainbow · 20/11/2024 19:00

LivingLaVidaBabyShower · 20/11/2024 18:43

Just unfathomably heartbreaking.

every news update is more distressing
i have wept bitter tears for this girl more than once.

I just do not understand how a human can do this to another person… let alone a child… let alone their own child.

calling it abuse is so minimising- it’s torture
systematic and sustained psychological and physical torture.

I pray the 3 of them never know another days peace for the rest of their lives.

You have it spot on, sadly :(

Thetrickcyclist · 20/11/2024 19:07

The judge has told the jury that they can also consider manslaughter in addition to what the defendants have already been charged with (murder, and causing or allowing the death of a child)

sre123 · 20/11/2024 19:08

Thetrickcyclist · 20/11/2024 19:07

The judge has told the jury that they can also consider manslaughter in addition to what the defendants have already been charged with (murder, and causing or allowing the death of a child)

So what happens now? Is the case with the jury?

Thetrickcyclist · 20/11/2024 19:13

sre123 · 20/11/2024 19:08

So what happens now? Is the case with the jury?

The judge may still be giving some legal directions to the jury, not clear from today's reports. The prosecution and defence barristers still have to give their closing speeches too. There are 3 defence barristers so there will be quite a lot to go through

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Anonymousess · 20/11/2024 23:28

Sorry, I meant the uncle earlier (not step brother!) I hope they are locked away for a long time too.

I don’t believe there is much evidence against the uncle though. It clearly was a tense household so I doubt in reality he was unaware of what was going on. He’s being protected by his brother.

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RailwayCutting · 20/11/2024 23:51

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I agree. I hope the dad gets a whole life tarrif.

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Has sexual abuse been disclosed?

Uncle’s uniform being in the vicinity casts doubt on him not being involved, but I’m not sure if the prosecution presented their argument strongly enough. He might be able to explain this away, especially if he goes on to say it wasn’t him who put his uniform there or if he says he didn’t need his uniform as he was intending to stay in Pakistan. He will twist his story to the available evidence.

Frankly I think the fact he was even employed by McDonalds is odd too. His brother Urfan was convicted of theft from his job at McDonalds. Hiring the brother of an employee convicted of stealing, who lives in the same household, is odd.

Chowtime · 21/11/2024 00:14

I forgot about urfan being sacked from Mac Donald's.

They probably didn't look for/find any connection and even if they were aware no one should be disadvantaged just because they have a dodgy relative.

RailwayCutting · 21/11/2024 00:22

Anonymousess · 21/11/2024 00:03

Has sexual abuse been disclosed?

Uncle’s uniform being in the vicinity casts doubt on him not being involved, but I’m not sure if the prosecution presented their argument strongly enough. He might be able to explain this away, especially if he goes on to say it wasn’t him who put his uniform there or if he says he didn’t need his uniform as he was intending to stay in Pakistan. He will twist his story to the available evidence.

Frankly I think the fact he was even employed by McDonalds is odd too. His brother Urfan was convicted of theft from his job at McDonalds. Hiring the brother of an employee convicted of stealing, who lives in the same household, is odd.

They've got different surnames, so maybe they didn't realise. Could have been a different McD

AngeloMysterioso · 21/11/2024 01:00

user47 · 13/11/2024 14:26

The family courts do this ALL THE TIME

https://www.riverlight.org.uk/campaign

Riverlight has launched a new campaign called: ‘In the Judge's Words', which has been running since February 2024.

This campaign exposed the dehumanising language and attitudes that victims and survivors of abuse have endured from judges and magistrates in family court proceedings. Riverlight conducted research through collecting first-hand accounts from survivors who recount appalling statements made by those intended to uphold justice and protect the vulnerable. The findings from this campaign are deeply disturbing. Examples include judges minimising or dismissing abuse as not being "that bad," insinuating that domestic violence is a "50/50 thing," and even stating that a victim had “goaded” the perpetrator into strangling her.

Many of the judges' statements displayed an alarming tendency to cast doubt on survivors' experiences, question their credibility, and shift blame onto them for the abuse they suffered. Survivors were admonished for actions like being in a shelter to escape abuse, accused of being spiteful towards the dad for breastfeeding, and even for exhibiting symptoms of trauma like PTSD. These kinds of victim-blaming attitudes from the very authorities tasked with ensuring justice and protecting the vulnerable enable a perpetuation of abuse and a culture where survivors' experiences are systematically dismissed or minimised.

This campaign resonated deeply and so far has reached a large audience of nearly half a million people, with thousands of comments, across all our social media platforms. Each sharing their own horrifying and similar ordeal. It highlighted just how pervasive and common place this treatment of survivors was within the family courts.

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sre123 · 21/11/2024 12:09

The house was definitely too cramped and I think they had too many children.

If it was a 3 bed room house, the uncle was probably in 1 room, the parents in the other room and 6-7 children in the other room?

However, that doesn't explain the torture and abuse. This would have happened in a mansion as well.

They arr vile, immoral people.

Anonymousess · 21/11/2024 17:46

@sre123 that is cramped, they probably had people sleeping on the sofa perhaps. Regardless there is no chance the abuse could have been hidden from the rest of the household regardless. If the neighbours heard Sara in pain, so did the rest of the house.

Curtainqueen · 21/11/2024 18:02

Not sure if it’s already been said but the step mother was texting her sister for up to 2 years telling her what was happening to the child.The sister did nothing. Does that not make her also guilty of allowing the death of a child by keeping quiet?

Foreveronthemove · 30/11/2024 18:39

Lisanoonan · 13/11/2024 15:04

First of all you're using racist in the wrong way.

Religion is not a race.

If you're going to abuse people on here, use a correct term at least.

Racist for sure

Anonymousess · 01/12/2024 09:35

Curtainqueen · 21/11/2024 18:02

Not sure if it’s already been said but the step mother was texting her sister for up to 2 years telling her what was happening to the child.The sister did nothing. Does that not make her also guilty of allowing the death of a child by keeping quiet?

I’m not sure, might depend on if the step mother’s relatives have a duty of care obligation and what exactly they said in the messages.

You never know, the sisters might have condemned the behaviour or encouraged her to do the right thing. Or they might have taken some other action.

I did notice that both she and their other sister ended up blocking the step mother which indicates some sort of disagreement.

plus I noticed that the police obtained these messages from the sister’s phone, suggesting they complied with the police and gave up their phone for evidence. The step mother didn’t supply the messages…

Curtainqueen · 01/12/2024 11:32

Anonymousess · 01/12/2024 09:35

I’m not sure, might depend on if the step mother’s relatives have a duty of care obligation and what exactly they said in the messages.

You never know, the sisters might have condemned the behaviour or encouraged her to do the right thing. Or they might have taken some other action.

I did notice that both she and their other sister ended up blocking the step mother which indicates some sort of disagreement.

plus I noticed that the police obtained these messages from the sister’s phone, suggesting they complied with the police and gave up their phone for evidence. The step mother didn’t supply the messages…

Well at the very least morally if you have been aware for two years that a child is being battered senseless you have an obligation to say something. I'd even question waiting two months with that sort of knowledge to be honest. All too often people know what is happening and don't speak out, as we see again and again. For all we know that could have been the person that saved Sara's life. But they chose to keep quiet instead.

Thetrickcyclist · 03/12/2024 16:37

The jury have now retired to consider their verdicts.

crumblingschools · 03/12/2024 16:50

The poor jury, this must be so harrowing for them

RailwayCutting · 03/12/2024 17:23

They've reported in court on the text messages between the step mother and her sisters. The sisters didn't seem to be encouraging the step mum to report it at all. If anything they were encouraging her not to report it. They should be in court themselves.

Sunshineandrainbow · 03/12/2024 18:38

crumblingschools · 03/12/2024 16:50

The poor jury, this must be so harrowing for them

I hope the jury are exempt from ever sitting again.

Anonymousess · 03/12/2024 18:55

Thetrickcyclist · 03/12/2024 16:37

The jury have now retired to consider their verdicts.

I’m glad this will come to an end soon.

I think some of the verdicts may be unanimous, but the others will likely warrant debate.

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