Sara Sharif case - update - horrifying

[amIloud]

This case is just beyond the realms of horrifying,

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgl461xwg3do

This poor child.

Exactly this, "lessons will be learned" ....except we can't expect things to be different ....if nothing changes. Even back to Victoria Climbe (sp) I don't remember after any of these tragedies, any government saying that they were going to address/overhaul the system, pledge to put more funding, more training, better communication or sharing of information between agencies etc

At the end of the day the fault lies with the perpetrators of these horrific crimes but the safety net that we hope to rescue children with seems completely broken.

The safety net for a lot of things is long gone.

Hear hear.

I used to work in social services and plenty of non-Muslims are guilty of abuse. Statistics confirm this.

Look at all the spate of child murder cases that happened during lockdown - it was a wide range of ethnicities committing great evil upon their children /step kids and most of them were of no particular faith background.

Child abuse may manifest in slightly different ways in various cultures with different men and women using different excuses to justify their sick actions, but it’s rife in every culture.

You're not forgotten Sara. :)

It’s always a glaring red flag when parents remove their kids shortly after the school reports them to social services and it should instantly earn the families some surprise visits from social workers.

I’ll never forget the horrific case of the couple (two women) in the US who committed a murder Suicide with all 6 of their adopted kids. Absolutely vile. They also started homeschooling their kids after one reported abuse to a teacher. Between that and then moving states they somehow slipped the net. It shouldn’t be that easy.

ETA : this is the US case I was talking about.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2018/04/devonte-hart-and-siblings-death-shows-racial-disparity-in-child-abuse-investigations.html

I agree with pp, it’s all “lessons will be learned” etc then the same thing happens. Frustrating but this is sadly the world we live in and there will always be evil people hellbent on destroying young precious lives.
I can’t imagine what kind of life Sara lived for the ten years, it seems no parent/family members cared for her properly. Heart breaking.

The last i read he had washed her body in accordance with tradition.

Now it turns out they jet washed her.?

What I'm dreading is the sentence.
Arthurs killers got light sentences that had to be reviewed.Shay on earth are these 3 going to get.
Will this man who has played tricks and ruined women's lives to get The foot hold in our country be allowed to stay here?
Where are those other children.
I fear it was life longer systematic abuse for poor Sarah.

This case just disturbs me more and more. I can’t really comprehend it.. the homemade hoods are especially disturbing and I don’t know fully what they were used for? To stop them bruising her face or to suffocate her? Surely it wouldn’t prevent her from screaming or making noise.

Someone upthread suggested whether there was sexual abuse. It would not surprise me and I wonder if this has been investigated. The fact she was soiling herself and wearing a nappy May well indicate abuse, I hope they are looking into that.

Sorry to be so explicit but I am sure that the post mortem examination and tests will have checked for physical signs of sexual abuse. I agree that this is one of the most horrific cases to have come to trial and it must be really difficult for all who are working on it from the original first responders through to everyone in that court room having to listen to the utter hell that Sara lived and died in

Youre lucky! I can fully comprehend it as i grew up around very abusive people.

My friend had loving parents and he said that if you have loving parents, you think that everyone has loving parents. As that's all he knew.
So I presume that you had loving parents.

Those of us with abusive parents know this goes on in lots of places. I've seen so many parents like him, violent abusive and cruel

So the other two will not give evidence.

That poor child. I feel such anger at the bloody neighbours.

" Don't get involved" " Don't poke your nose in"

Translates to " Don't be a human"

I've just read this. I mean, I think it's possible to infer quite a lot from their refusal.

Oh i did have abusive parents, I can’t comprehend that either, I will never understand them. Saying that I wasn’t beaten severely like this so no I can’t imagine how that would be exactly.

I am sorry you have experienced such abuse.

I can understand some of them. There's obviously something very wrong with this man.

For some people it's a chain of pain. My mother had the shit kicked out of her as a child, so she kicked the shit out of us .

If these people only know abuse, how can they be kind caring people

Again not all abused children go on to abuse, but some do

I think that they have the right advice. Jury had admission from dad that he did it. They wouldn't want them cross examined and implicating themselves

I see your point but I had abusive parents and I am not abusive. Sometimes it’s frustrating to be the one who breaks the cycle of abuse.

Can they be held jointly responsible?

Yes.

I try to not be around children at all, as i am afraid that I have learned bad behaviour from my parents

It is fantastic that you broke the cycle though. You are probably the first person in generations to do this. Future generations will live better lives, because of you.

I think the barristers from the prosecution would have really given the step mum and brother a really hard time and I think they would have crumbled incriminating each other further. As juror that's what I would infer

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8jykpkd9ydo

I think the prosecution's case is that all three of them are jointly responsible and all were aware of what was going on. The uncle's defence is that he had no idea what was happening. Batool's defence is that Sharif did it and was also controlling/abusive towards her. The prosecution aren't able to cross-examine them now, but I think the closing speeches will be interesting as to what all four barristers will say

But does this allow for step mum and uncle to get lesser sentences as Sharif appears to want to take the blame?

I don’t buy the whole change of story.

There's no way the brother didn't know.

None of them will get away with this.

They will all go down together.

I haven’t especially been following the case because I only have so much in the tank to cope with this information but in 2023 how the actual fuck did no services pick up on abuse?
Have we learned nothing from previous SCRs?

It depends what they are found guilty on I guess.

Ive no doubt being abused by your husband is terrifying beyond belief but it doesn’t mean it doesn’t require serious punishment. That poor little girl